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  1. MoonspellxRites

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    i started making resin toys a little while back and it was received well so i decided to reinvent one of the characters into a full size vinyl toy but i pulled the plug for a little bit because of the amount of new makers with no real reason for why theyre making their toys. and i dont want to get lumped in with that
     
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    I think you hit the nail right on the head, @Waterbear
    So many toys these days have no reason behind them, no story, no history. I am such a sucker for a toy with a story, history, or explanation. Hell, it doesn't even need a written story, it can be implied or imagined.

    Going to use @evom 's Otus for this example, because it's one of the newer sculpts that actually gave me that "oh wow!" reaction...
    When you look at Otus, there's a story right there. You're not sure of it, but it's obvious this spaceman is being colonized by some kind of owl-like parasite. Is it a fungus? A fleshy being? Is he still in control of his actions, or has it taken over? Will it kill him, or keep him alive? Is he happy, or in agony? That's why I love it so much, you don't know the answer, but you sure as hell thought about the possibilities.
    And then you take a generic "rotting zombie" toy, and you think "oh it's a rotting zombie" ...and that's about all you get from it.

    And @MoonspellxRites , I hope we get to see that toy someday! I wouldn't let the influx of other new makers get you down. If your sculpt is interesting, it'll stand out from the flock.
     
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    Wow this bothers the hell out of me, I forget how lazy people can be. Why the fuck do we need even more toys that are ripping off better toys. No disrespect to Waterbear but all those people that asked you to sculpt rip offs should just fuck off.
     
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    Clouds deserve to be yelled at, lazy clusters of condensation... Blocking the sun and stuff.
     
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    IMHO some of the stale state of anything related to art in regard to nostalgia
    is the time frame to a lot of folks is 20 years back at best which is more like
    a revival than true nostalgia. When it comes to only a decade it is just lazy

    Other than that I would say all the microwave dinner instant fame searching
    hipsters have saturated the entire world no matter what genre that we're now
    discussing here. No artist I respect promotes themselves over their craft

    Strictly speaking on Monsters and Horror culture some of the most lame
    offerings have come out of the past decade. I used to think the 90's was
    the worst by far, maybe it was. Cycles do seem to repeat way to often

    Horror and Sci-Fi of the 1800's thru the late 1970's is where its at, but for
    some unknown reason folks keep copying copies of ideas that are really
    just copies themselves. One can, by going deeper break that cycle

    Maybe it's the internet that is to blame since prior to that folks had to be
    much more archaeologist in nature of their passions. Now we live in the
    age where no one has to seek very far so they really just don't

    Society has been slowly reduced to lazy self serving slobs who are more
    robots than humans. So in that regard it makes sense that the output of
    sincere creativity is slim and dumb abounds in excessive heaps
     
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    Honestly, we have been around a blip in time compared to other species on earth. The dinos made it 600 times longer than we have to date, and its not going well. Look around. War in the East. War in the West. Everywhere it's war. I guess I am just saying I'm fascinated by the part of the human spirit that wants to believe everything is going to be okay. Why would it be? When have humans EVER lived peacefully? When has it ever worked out? We think we are evolved, intelligent, etc...but are not even as physically or instinctually developed as many animals. We invent superheros that have super speed, super strength, can fly, etc...and they are fiction, but Eagles have hyper sight and friggin fly with wings 1,000 times more advanced than an airplanes'. Fish can breathe in water and have cold blood. Those are actual superpowers! What do we really do other than use our clever minds to consume, entertain ourselves, and destroy, dominate, or control every other species on earth? Humans have metacognition, meaning that we are basically animals that somehow have evolved to be able to examine our own thinking. This both allows the ability to achieve huge advancements (things like machines, skyscrapers, vaccines, art, music, etc...) but it inherantly creates the God complex humans suffer from as well. Animals behave much the same as each other. All Ducks fly. All Fish swim. All Bears hibernate. Humans alone have a unique and singular experience that WE call life, and that experience varies GREATLY from person to person. We draw our own conclusions as to what life means to US, and accept it as law. The problem is these conclusions form opinions that we believe to be truth- and since we all think our experience is THE experience, we esentially think our views are more correct than everybody else's when challenged. So we defend that (prejudiced) opinion, and we fight for it. People may act civilized at times, but it doesn't take much to pull the animal out of a person. Animals are predictable. Humans are not predictable at all. We claim advancement but consume and overpopulate this planet like rats. We claim to be good people full of understanding and kindness but its a lie. We don't further the species, when push comes to shove we plot and turn on each other. We prey on and consume our peers' ideas. Our appetite insatiable, we devour everything, including ourselves.
     
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    I'm taking the millenial stance on the last post . . . I don't have time to read that, I'm way too busy polishing my artisanal coffee beans!
     
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    Summary: It's probably not going to be okay.

    Wu-tang: "the glorious days are gone, and everybody's doing bad. Yo mad lives is up for grabs"
     
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    Less of this 'we' stuff.
     
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    And theres your God complex right there. As a whole, as a race, we are failing. But we all think we are above it.
     
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    Yaaay....another thread that consists of a big, steaming pile of word poo (that I contributed too)......

    go skullbrain...

    yaaaaaay
     
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    Fankoo! :thumbsup:
     
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    You speak for an entire race yet I'm the one with the god complex? gr8 b8 m8
     
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    Michael it's a discussion board. All we are is words. Only Instagram has pics these days duh.
     
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    To get back to the original idea of this thread.. I think we are hugely outnumbered by the people who populate Artist Alley/"Fan-Artist" Alley, Movie/TV Executives who are hunting for the next remake, the horrifying horde of Funko Pop collectors, mass market fashion over at 80s Tees/Urban Outfitters... But who gives a shit. You can't force the general population to have good taste or a desire to seek out originality.

    We've all seen the puzzled looks at conventions before from people looking at Super7 vinyl or some original creation.. they kind of scrunch up their face and say "what is that??" "I don't know what it means".. then a calm relaxed look appears when they see the Funko stand or some "low hanging fruit" mash up resin figure with pop culture appeal.

    Nothing can be done about it... people who seek out creative original content will always be there, but the majority of people want to feel accepted and will only feel comfortable buying a toy that their friends can recognize from TV/comic books/etc. However, in our little scene we suffer from the same problem - some people also only buy toys based on likes etc. I'm sure some "fans" only buy MVH because they think it comes with street cred + bonus 100 likes on instagram.. they don't even know the story behind Rich's success, appreciate the nuances of his sculpts and painting, and wouldn't even take notice of a really cool little Bear Model mini unless for some reason instagram became flooded with Bear Model stuff.
     
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    @the fauxbot. Now here comes where you fight to defend. You're getting upset with me because I have challenged one of your opinions. It's entirely predictable.
     
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    You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about, but please, carry on fitting my words into whatever constructed narrative makes you feel most superior. You're welcome.
     
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    Bro I'm not upset with you at all. Just think about it. Watch some ancient aliens. Lol. Seriously not saying I'm superior. I just dont expect sanity with humanity. And I'm never let down.
     
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    Im ok with this because i liked them even before they blew up into a huge crazy kind of Beanie Baby thing. Remember Beanie Babies? That shit blew up faster than anyone ever could have realized. Than the market for them crashed and ppl stopped collecting because the money wasn't there anymore and moved onto the next big thing. Iv still got a few of them that my grandparents had. Cant really bring myself to get rid of them. The bears at least considering i don't like how allot of the new ones even look.
     
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    I think this ^ is an important point to make and remember as we are discussing this topic.

    Also, @gatiio started this thread asking "We are collectors and we are a community, should we be doing more to break out of the cycle?"

    The answer, is yes, absolutely! We can't change the world as Glenn mentioned above but we can each make choices that affect the community and individuals within. I try my best not to let hype influence my decisions and I think my collection shows that. I also try to make an additional effort to support newer artists that I like instead of just seeing their work and thinking "That's a cool toy, I'm excited to see what they do in the future" because maybe if you don't support them now they won't have a future. Instead of buying your 20th ultra-hyped toy or a nostalgia-inducing bootleg mashup, you could support several smaller toy makers that actually need/deserve support.

    None of this is necessary. Everything will work itself out naturally. Can we do something about? Of course, but you may need to exit your comfort zone to actually make a dent.
     
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    That's sort of a weird example considering most of the toys that Super7 releases these days are basically screaming NOSTALGIA in gigantic rainbow glitter letters. Mind you, that's what happened to pretty much all designer toy companies. You need pop licenses in order to survive as a business (vs a one-person hobby/operation)?
     
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    Weird response and a waste of a post seeing as I specified Super7 vinyl which is very different to the ReAction figures you're referring to.. what is this Skullbrain pre-school??
     
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    Damn, everyone screaming for original creations, where were you when Ninja Alien burst onto the scene and crashed and burned :lol:

    You didn't want those original designs then
     

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