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    Yep it does! I got another one today so I was still half questioning it. That eliminates that. Thanks guys. I'm trippin.
     
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    Well its pretty shitty to see yours up on ebay, among several overpriced toys, before many even have theirs. I hope that's your official resignation from shirahama toys if not sofubi altogether? Or at least Skullbrain right? Another one bites the dust :roll:
     
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    Wow, what a fucking disappointment.
     
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    I'd honestly like to hear...
    A) why your stuff went straight to the Bay
    B) why you thought that no one would notice
    ...because this shit continues to boggle my mind.

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    YOU'RE FLIPPING THE MECHA ZAG I SOLD YOU WHEN I WAS RAISING MONEY FOR MY DOG'S VET BILL?!? You are fucking dead to me forever.
     
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    @hellointerloper , maybe he'll sell it back to you for, what is it now, $23.50.

    I was hoping to win it for $6 too :(

    Think poiple.
     
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    Welp
     
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    Judging by what other Mecha Zags have ended for on the Bay, he's probably going to get more than what he paid for it...

    I don't know about you guys, but I always try to pass on my toys to someone for a fair price, even if I really need the money, like I did in the case of my dog's surprise $1,500 emergency vet bill. I could have just thrown my stuff up on the Bay and hoped to get as much as possible, but noooo, I sold to this chump hoping it'd be loved or at least passed on to someone else for the same price if needed be.
     
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    You know what, my kids Mom is dying, i don't know if she has a week honestly. They cut her insurance off right after they found cancer in her heart and said no more treatment. She is going to die. We are just controlling her pain right now. I have a 10 year old son whose bday is in 12 days. She may die for his birthday. So I fought. My mom, my dad we fought the hospital and got her insurance back on. It's a huge up front premium, like $3,000, but then she, and my son, are covered again. She can't work, my child support is her only income. I can't stress how sick she is. She looks so frail, she has lived in the hospital for about 3 monhs now. She's just wasting away. I have a therapist for my child to pay for, I have to help her. I don't know what else to do but I have to get rid of everything I can. Her parents are in their 90's. I just also took over custody of my son. I just bought a new townhouse to be near him. So yeah, I can't afford to keep them. I didn't offer them here because I knew what you'd say. I never wanted to get rid of any of it. My Blobpus kai thunder? Never! Nekomata? Never ever. But alas here I am. What is up on the bay is 3/4 of my small collection. I kept maybe 10 pieces, and all of them are either gifts from artists or something special to me. I'm sorry. If I'm dead to you I'm dead to you. I just sold my car and am driving my moms mini van to fund my custody establishment, and I have a real fucking funeral to plan and fund. I can't sit on these toys. I'm sorry guys. Thank you to everyone who ever helped me out. If you never want to again I understand.
     
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    Maddie, if you want your mecha zag back I'll sell it back for $150. Exactly what you gave it to me for. Apologies.
     
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    I probably should not get into this at all, but I can't seem to stop myself here. I understand that the idea of this board is collectors helping collectors out, but I don't think that means people aren't entitled to sometimes do what they need to do to get the best deal for themselves.

    I have offered many toys here and I always end up losing money on them. No one is ever willing to pay what I was willing to pay to get them in the first place - and that's understandable - but I have nevertheless taken loss after loss to help other collectors out. I don't regret that. But every once in awhile, when I decide to part with a toy that I know could sell for quite a bit, I am afraid to do so because I fear just this kind of reaction.

    Every once in awhile I think all of us sell toys we never planned to sell because we - quite frankly - need the cash. If someone needs funds - for whatever reason - and wants to drop a toy on ebay and get the possible price, I see nothing wrong with that.

    It's not like he was buying intending to flip for profit. That's another situation entirely. He needs funds and has chosen to part with something he would rather not part with. There's no law saying he's required to take the lowest possible price so another collector can obtain the toy and pay exactly what he paid for it. He put it out there on ebay and collectors can bid up to what they feel comfortable paying and maybe the person who wants it most will pay a bit more than someone else. That's fine. There's nothing terrible about it. I have no doubt, if he has sold other toys here, he has taken losses on those. Maybe selling a few toys for a premium balances that out a bit. Not for us to judge - unless he's a known flipper. If he were, I doubt he'd be here in the first place.

    My two cents. Feel free to attack me now, too. That's often how these conversations go and it's why I don't spend so much time here anymore. Too much testosterone, too often.
     
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    Dude, in a fraction of the time it takes to list all of those items on the Bay, you could have at the very least posted a quick explanation for why you were doing what you did before we all tore you a new one. I'm really sorry that you're going through some serious real life problems, but that doesn't change the fact that a lot of people put their trust in you to take care of those toys. Even if every cent goes towards a funeral, you could have told us you needed some help financially and we could have held a fundraiser or something. When I had my dog's vet bill to pay, I had multiple messages sent to me offering to just straight up give me money to help. I refused them, but what I'm trying to say is this is a community where most of the time we help each other out. You don't have to flip toys and leave a terrible taste in everyone's mouth to get by in an emergency.

    @malinablue
    There's no "law," but it's generally a matter of not making a profit off of someone else's work or taking advantage of someone else's generosity. Passing toys on for the same price you paid keeps prices fair.
    There are plenty of people who literally could bathe in money like Scrooge McDuck and pay five times retail for a piece they really want, but does the seller deserve to make that kind of profit just because they want to get rid of something? Most artists offer their toys at reasonable prices because they specifically want their toys to be available to a broader audience, not just the rich buying from the aftermarket. Or you have artists like Bemon who got so sick of flippers making money off of his work, that he just decided to auction off all his one-offs himself. At that point only the artist and rich people win.
     
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    ^Wow. Thanks for that. I started all Auctions at .99 cents or way below retail. I never had any intentions of flipping. Actually, I bought almost everything I have listed on my own, not on skullbrain, and they are priced way below the same items from actual flippers from Japan on ebay. I got almost everything from Lulubell, Mandarake, or facebook, and I didn't get great deals on most of it. Maddie your zag was a deal, and im offering it back. The rest were mine. The Nekomata was a lottery win, I got offers of like $200 when I approached people here through pm. I'm not selling it for that....so yeah I went to the bay and started it at 99 cents. I think that is fair. No lowballers. You want it, go bid. Like I said, I sold my CAR! I sold most of my skateboard collection. I'm not proud of it, I'm not happy, I'm fucked. I have one shot to get my son and help Amy pass with dignity. Thing is I do care. I'm sorry I don't know what else to say. I told my dad I might be executed on skullbrain for listing these but am in trouble. My parents are paying $1,500 and I still need 5k. My civic only sold for $3,000. I'm sorry.
     
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    Thank you so much.
     
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    This is literally the only hobby community I have ever been in that has very intense reactions to the selling of an item if it isn't under the right circumstances, the right price, and the right time, and frequently, to the right people. I understand the reasoning on both sides, but sometimes it's all taken just a shade too seriously given the nature of what is collected (toys, the fun yet still material item).

    Never, ever make assumptions about people and their situation. Not everyone wants to plead for assistance, not everyone is comfortable with that, and some people just want to do what they can on their own and that's just fine.

    I'm sorry but this is something I've noticed on this comm since well before I actually joined and it's highly unusual and can be very polarizing - ya'll have to see that sometimes. Believe me, I completely get where you are coming from. But not everyone feels the same way or reacts the same way, no matter how much they love those toys and the hobby and the artists. I wholly understand the frustration of flipping, it's rampant in many of my hobbies. But in the end, no matter how much you love something, it's still a material good. It's a toy. It's a fantastic hobby and I love the pieces and the artists but sometimes life takes precedence and you do what you feel you need/must.
     
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    Sorry but sorta laughable. If you really wanted to make money for things for a good cause or for a real reason own it. I've done it and have been candid. I set a bin..I told the 'internet' people about it etc and was open. I sold something to a board member WHO messaged me back 4 years later to say he was going to trade the toy and it was unbelievably honest.

    But setting it at 99 cents to drag it out????? Questionable. "Enjoy!"

    AND FYI...I've had to sell toys to pay for things and have been candid/honest/open.....I didn't need to be called out with a gazillion excuses to justify it.

    Sounds like you have a ton of excuses for things.

    And Cindy no one really attacks you because you don't have much to contribute to the board.
     
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    I agree. I collect in many different hobby lines, too, and only here do I see this kind of reaction. I often overpay for my toys - I get too passionate, buy too much, and from all the wrong places - but I find I cannot generally even ask what I actually paid here without coming under censure. I get people who quote the Japanese retail price at me, as if I actually paid that and did not have to add on proxy fees, Yahoo JP/ Mandarake flipper fees, and international shipping. So I end up offering things well below my cost. Every once in awhile, I get tired of it all and stick it all on ebay myself, sometimes without coming here first, because I just want to break even for once.

    It's funny - most other hobbies completely accept as normal that rarer and older items are worth more and the value goes up. I don't like flippers either, but when you are selling something you no longer want (and did not buy to flip) I see nothing wrong with getting a good price to balance out all the money we lose on the hobby. Sometimes, even, I am grateful when something makes it to ebay and I have a chance at buying it. When things are sold here, they go to first responder, not the one most passionately in need of it. At least on ebay, if it's a toy you want desperately, you can choose to do what you need to do - sell other things, whatever - to buy it. That can be better than logging onto the forums to see that five minutes ago the toy you've been after for years just got picked up cheap by some guy who never even heard of it, but thought "what the hell?"
     
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    For the record, I did offer the Nekomata here via pm and got offers lower than retail. Kind of pissed me off actually, and left me no choice but to go somewhere else. Also it's not even maddies zag. Hers had a blem on the stomach. I'm selling my other perfect one. I have no excuses. I'm being up front. You want answers I gave them. What is unfair about .99 cent auctions? Setting a BIN with reserve and a high starting price is shady. No, I'm just throwing it out there and seeing what it fetches. So anything else you guys? Anything else you wanna know before I sell my own property? I didnt think i had to explain myself but apparently stalkers need answers. And why bash on Cindy? Fuck off, she's great people.
    Tell you what I'll call you in 4 years to tell you how this turned out Bryce. Give me a fucking break...lol

    What was i supposed to do, make thread here and say: "I'm being honest now. I need the money to help my son and his dying mom. I'm not too busy with the grief of it all to pre-write a letter to skullbrain explaining it, but I have to sell anything I have of value and you guys won't pay what it is worth, and I need what it is worth right now. If you want to bid on my items on eBay all proceeds will go to my son's mom, and costs related to her terminal cancer. Thank you."

    Well, I didn't have that in me...so I just listed them and tried to be as fair as possible by having auctions.
     
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    Oh, it's a damned-if-you-do-and-damned-if-you-don't scenario there. He probably started the bidding low so no one could accuse him of intentionally asking - gasp - more than he actually paid for it. A BIN for more than his cost would have drawn more ire.

    True - I am no longer on the boards much. I used to be here much, much more. And - true - I don't get attacked personally much because I steer clear of saying anything. That's because I see all the attacks, and keep my mouth shut. Usually.
     
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    That happens to me all the time, too. I am always kind of amazed at the low-ball offers I get on things I am already selling at-cost or below-cost. That's only a small minority of people here, but for those few - I am amazed at how they collect at all.

    They'll have a really rare toy being offered at the original retail price, but they'll low-ball me on it with an offer of less than half that original cost. Later, they'll come back upset it sold to someone else and wondering why I was not holding it for them while they worked out a deal. I stopped holding things for people, btw, because countless times someone would ask me to hold something for a few days or few weeks, until they had the funds, but then they'd disappear entirely or say they changed their mind.

    That's only a handful of people here, mind you, not the majority. But those few I can't figure out. If I saw something rare at the original buying price, I'd jump first and ask questions later. That's the main reason I started putting up everything on BigCartel so whoever wants it can just grab it. I got tired of the back-and-forth flea market haggling on things I was already losing money on and that I knew I could stick on ebay for a profit.

    Don't get me wrong - I'm not at all against best offers. I appreciate those. But it can get frustrating to deal with people who just like to haggle for the hell of it. I think if we want to make it a rule not to ask for more than we paid for a toy, then the other side of that rule is don't make it a habit to haggle the seller down from an already-low retail price either. That's not conducive to making people want to offer stuff here.
     
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    Right. It's like "oh if you want that price take it to ebay, we give deals here" but when you do they get upset that you didn't lose your shirt on it here just to be a part of the "community". I mean any Nekomata is selling for $1200 on ebay, these guys offer me $200. I counter with $400 and they are insulted. Wel...okay then. Ebay.
     
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    @infiniteneeya Perfectly stated.

    @hellointerloper Get over yourself.

    @quentor No need to keep explaining and apologizing. Considering the strong personalities on this board it's highly unlikely opinions and judgements will be quickly swayed. What's done is done. People will forgive or they won't. If your story is true, then I'm sorry you (and your son) are going through such tough times.

    This thread has been derailed enough. Can someone PLEASE post a Neko pic and get it back on track???
     
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    [This thread has been derailed enough. Can someone PLEASE post a Neko pic and get it back on track???[/QUOTE]

    [​IMG]IMG_6732 by Cindy Kennedy, on Flickr
     
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    That gold Neko is fantastic!
     
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    Nekomata is a legend of a split tailed cat.
     
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