Re: Good (maybe not) seller/trader list This general idea has been discussed and shot down numerous times. Why now?
Re: Good (maybe not) seller/trader list yeah, by general consensus and having seen it in inaction, this kind of list won't work here. let's just go ahead and take it down. crap, i sound just like the manager from office space. *slurp coffee*
Re: Good (maybe not) seller/trader list I'm going to play devils advocate here and ask : why not? I mean really who is this list hurting besides people who scam here? If you don't plan on openly scamming people here then why does it matter if the list is here? The main reason people seem to not want it is because they hold onto some ideological premise that was around when this board started but doesn't seem to be as present here anymore (at least not to the degree it once was). That being that we are not the KR board and we take of our own in this small community. Yeah I'm going to say "not so much anymore". Yes establish friends, communicate, keep a community where we try and help each other out, but this has given rise to people (in some cases repeatedly) taking advantage of that and pulling shit like ripping people off over an over. The get to hide, people have short term memory (or never heard of their past bs because they are new) and it happens again. Then everyone acts all surprised. Also with the influx of people coming and going I think it would be advantageous for newer peeps to not get ripped off and vice versa.
Re: Good (maybe not) seller/trader list This thread is confusing. What is "Good (maybe not)" supposed to mean? Are the people listed good or not? And I'd like to demonstrate the biggest potential problem with this thread right now: 3. Lixx
Re: Good (maybe not) seller/trader list Why not? Cuz we're fuckin adults, well versed in the ways of this magical beast known as internet trading. I don't want to be treated like a child, I also don't want to be shamed for a one off discrepancy because I didn't get to the post office in time for some antsy fuckin' child to get his toy. This is bullshit. Life happens, deal. Loads of people where properly shafted by someone they trusted about a year or so ago. The discussion was had then and ended. Kill this thread and be an adult that lives in a world with risks where YOU choose who to trust.
Re: Good (maybe not) seller/trader list Previous discussions about this topic, I'm sure there are more: viewtopic.php?f=5&t=27332 viewtopic.php?f=5&t=27281 viewtopic.php?f=31&t=15516
Re: Good (maybe not) seller/trader list Would be tempting to add highballers who're vulturing onto Want lists ...
Re: not good seller/trader list Sorry - I shouldn't of worded it like that ... I just found it nuts that someone on here (nips) is able to have a sale thread still going - but he hasn't shipped figures to people who paid him 6 months ago .. and it's not like it's the first time he has done this .. I do believe it's partly the buyers fault. If they sent the money as a gift to someone they don't know, well, that's on them. Or if they just refused to file a claim with paypal, also their fault for not going after their money. And not sure why people who haven't received what they bought (6 months ago) haven't posted that info in Nips sale thread.
Re: Good (maybe not) seller/trader list Woah woah woah, slow down there. First I didn't start the thread just saying it might not be a bad idea. Second I never said get out the pitchforks for lazy shippers, nor shame someone with a mythical scarlet letter for taking a tad too long to ship. I merely think it was a good idea for known scammers. Umm again thread was not started by me I just commented on it. How am I the problem? Maybe as a mod Roger you need to actually be one and deal with scammers on the forum instead of letting them hide and start more sales threads EDITED For Roger....
Re: Good (maybe not) seller/trader list You weren't making a problem at all, you were the just last person in the thread and so I grabbed your handle to make a point that anyone can add anyone else's name to the list whether or not they have any past history. It's not like this is eBay where feedback is linked to a logged transaction. I'm sorry, your name was there and I was using it as an example, nothing personal. I disagree with this. I don't think that moderators should be expected to be "transaction police," and so most of the other mods who have weighed in on this so far (this has been a running topic among us for the past couple of months). We do, however, think that offering some guidelines in the form of a "B/S/T Best Practices" thread might be useful and right now toybotstudios is working on that (see the FAQ section). As always, we're willing to hear what users have to say. Do more people here agree with Lixx? Do you think we should be moderating users as a result of bad transactions? If so, how far would you have us go?
OK Roger, sorry I just read it as I'd make problems for anyone I deemed a lazy shipper etc etc in this thread. If I've learned anything from being on this board for years as everyone is different with getting stuff out. As long is communication is kept and estimated time are given I got a problem with no one. I think most people I've dealt with would agree I'm pretty cool about it. Getting back to this list yes I agree you policing transactions would be a hassle. The only thing I could think of is have a sticky that only Mods can edit. And only have people on this list that have been known to repeatedly rip people off. That's all. It wouldn't be a lazy shipper list, it would not be a big 'your a big asshole list', just something to keep other members informed of known issues with certain sellers. Actually it would really be hard to even make the list, and if the seller clears his mess up he can go back into good standing. Again only for people who pull shit like not shipping after 6 months (I mean come on?) or like what that french guy did years ago etc etc (although he did get sweet SB justice). Actually it would be pretty nice if it never was used because we never have a problem here. I only changed my mind when I saw this happen more frequently lately. Not trying to make a big stink. Just thought it might be a good idea.
I could be wrong, but I don't think someone is going to add someone's name unless they get taken or ripped off. I agree Roger, yes, board members (like Tavaro and Nips) should at least not be able to have a sale thread again - and also keep this thread up, or something similar.
The thing is, how do we verify that what we're being told about users is true? It sounds like we'd be spending a lot of time researching that and then people would still complain to us about being on the list. Sounds like a lot of responsibility, and in case anyone was wondering, the moderators here who aren't Super7 employees are doing this pro bono, myself included. Personally, I don't mind the occasional "public outing" thread as long as personal information isn't posted. Person A had a bad transaction with person B, person A posts about it. Person C, D, and E come out of the woodwork to commiserate that yes, they also got screwed. Maybe person B makes good on things or maybe he doesn't, but the thread stays. Later on, person B is selling stuff again and person F wants to buy it. It should be up to person F to do their due dilligence on B and search through Skullbrain. And lo and behold, they find the thread dealing with person A. Now they have a little more information than when they started with. In the case of selekta_nips, a complaint was made back in July in the For Sale section, which undergoes regular automatic purges, and the thread is now gone. That probably wasn't a good place to put it. But this one in Whatever will stay forever. He may be a golden seller from this point on but the "record" of this transgression will stay. I like that, it's simple.
Re: Good (maybe not) seller/trader list First, I say first, but honestly, I don't quite know where to start in my reply to this, but for shits n giggles: First: I find common sense a rare commodity these days, and uncommon sense (or sheer stupidity) in abundance beyond belief- Chris Ibsen 3/8/10. Second: I have NO idea what you are talking about when you get all paranoid that I may have been making some coded reference to yourself. Third: I say kill this thread, because as Roger kindly did the search work for us and pointed out, it's been raised at least three times before and, well fuck me sideways with the Channel Tunnel, shot the fuck down as a bad idea. Forth: Yes, opinions are like assholes, and you know what? Mine smells the best. So fuck you very much. edited for clarity
That's the issue. Most bad seller threads end up purged in the BST forum. So people forget about it. I agree with you on the homework part, but what if there is no reference? So maybe moving forward, if multiple people have issue and have exhausted every logical outlet for getting it resolved, start a thread in whatever forum?
I think the problem that people here are noticing is that, with the influx of newer members, this step does not happen anymore. The skullbrain 'community' is not the high-functioning, self moderating group of close knit people that it apparently once was. I don't think the trading sections need a dedicated transaction police moderator, but maybe a 'disputes' subforum where problems could be addressed and resolved in a public enough manner, and that way they would all be in the same place, so if you were looking at trading with someone you could double check that section, rather than sifting through the Search archives. Less than a 'feedback' section, but a more accessible system than what is currently in place.
Re: Good (maybe not) seller/trader list How is this racist? It's the equivalent of a British person calling an American a 'Yank'. It's slang. It's an old term for British sailors. Don't get your panties in a bunch. For the record I love the British, Limey is one of my favorite movies, and the country produces the best music (and great actors).
Guys, please keep it civil and if you could, redact your own posts to remove the offensive stuff, it would be appreciated. There's no reason why this discussion can't continue. Please, carry on.
You say that, yeah? but this thread's impetus was obviously Nips' outing thread. And generally speaking, he is/was a member in good standing. Every other person that has shafted people here has been fairly respected as well. Can anyone, and I'm happy to be wrong here, I'm going out and honestly asking the question, name some Fresh Meat that has shafted people? There have been new folks who managed to ingratiate themselves who then fucked us, but overall, the names that pop up tend to be familiar names.
Or (and this always gets brought up in this discussion) dont allow selling and trading anymore? It bums me out that the BST is one of the fastest moving boards here...
