Discussion in 'Japan Toys' started by chimply.kaiju, Aug 18, 2011.
Um no.... More like...
Man, the Triton of the Sea is so great. I’ve never liked the Hirota Kraken. It looks more along the lines of a Max Toy Co. sculpt to me, stylistically, which is definitely not a diss. But if Hirota’s name wasn’t attached to it I don’t think hardly anyone would be attracted to it.
I was thinking the style of the feet and teeth, plus the general texture work. But hey, I wager you know better than me.
This is eye opening. Based off a manga created by Tezuka... I gotta check this out!
Maybe it's just a cultural difference, but is anyone else kinda grossed out about this? Stuff like this just seems like next-level brown nosing, which I believe is the only way to get Hirota stuff nowadays
I suppose a sealed bag is less dangerous than an open one, choking-hazard-wise, but it's also the root of what I find offensive about that post --- PLAY with your toys, ya' goof! Free them from their polycoffins!
Yup. I really like Hirota's stuff and there are some good fans out there but for every 1 fan, there are about 50++ kiss ass me me me people.
Im truly sorry for this child
I'm sure she has good nannies
Not only is it a shit photograph, but having those toys sitting in bags just obviously placed in there for the 'photo-op' is super cringey.
If you're gonna take photos of your toys with your kids at least have the kids interacting/playing with them... I see some photos on instagram of collector's spawn holding ridiculously hard to get sofubi - which makes me concerned but I also think it's really cool at the same time. For sure those toddlers are going nuts twisting the joints and dropping them on the floor - but hey at least they are being played with! Much much better than a sleeping baby with MIB toys (just waiting to be resold) in a shitty dark and grainy, poorly composed and out of focus phone photo.
Also: the amount of stuff in that crib- toys aside- doesn't seem safe.
Looks like everyone's taking the piss or at least trying to.
This is ridiculous.
We could go with reality...
Not only are some of you incorrect about the assumptions, this guy is friends with Hirota and never resold a damn thing.
Some of the toys in that crib were mailed as gifts to him and his wife to celebrate the new baby they had.
Furthermore if you actually look at his feed you will see he opens all his toys and in fact is an excellent photographer...
Also he is a considerate and devoted husband and father, who makes a good living creating places like this:
Or....... most of you can keep making assumptions and trash talk folks you don't even know.
That part is a shame, since I know damn well that's gonna be the path some of you willfully continue to journey.
I think folks are frustrated that in order to cultivate that relationship with Hirota today you need to drop fat stacks on the aftermarket. No two ways about that. The speed at which some of the new HS big dogs have surfaced is also unsettling. Enter lottos and watch the aftermarket for 5 years and you're still not worthy of the special treatment some people are getting in a little under one year. Wallets seem to matter more than dedication.
It's ugly when this stuff gets personal but the hobby is a small world. When there are maybe 100 people buying these toys around market prices, that's a personal issue, not a systemic one. Maybe the jabs would be better pointed at whoever sold out for top dollar in the first place, but that's probably not information that will surface in public. Unless you post the sales publicly yourself, in between watch collection shots.
Anyway, my n00b 2c. If you have better info please gun me down in full italics.
I don’t personally agree with posting someone else’s child online but on the other hand a lot of collectors during lottery time continuing the “my child/my wife is so happy with xxxx overpriced doll” online culture have to fucking stop. Stop exploiting your family to score toys douchebags. If the guy mentioned above received it as a family gift than different story.
Clicking through to the photo, I see that he wrote something like, "Waiting for you, my princess," which implies to me that the robot and monster dolls are for her! Quite cool, actually.
I will never understand makers that shame flippers but reward those who constantly support them. It’s dumb.
Next level fuckin' needy! . . . but then it's a 'path' trodden by many!
First and foremost, if this post violates any rules or whatever mods, I'm sorry and feel free to PM me.
@kichigai, this dude is bullshitting you. I can send you multiple DMs I have had with him where he has offered to sell or trade MVH, TKOM, Illsynapse and......drum roll please....HIROTA!
I worked out deals with him on 3 occasions. Guess how many he actually went through on? Zero!
Did I say "deals"? Let me clarify. Transactions where he was selling pieces for 4-5x+ what he paid.
Guess when all of these conversations happened. This year. Our last conversation was the end of June when I agreed to pay 450% of original price for a piece.
And I ain't alone. I know multiple people who have had the same exact experience.
As for me? I've sold 2 MVH pieces in 5 years with 1 pending. I sold both of them for cost, same for the pending 3rd. Not "I paid 2 grand and sold for 2 grand", but original price Rich charged. The same with the pending one. I am more than happy to tell you what I sold and to who so they can verify and Hell, even why I sold them in the first place. I've sold maybe half a dozen toys in my entire time collecting. Do I expect a reward for this behavior? Of course not, but I'm also not bitching to friends on the Internet about someone calling me out for shitty behavior because I don't have to. If this photo was done in absolute isolation I never would have posted it, but it wasn't. Actions speak louder than words and this guy isn't some patron saint who is having his child exploited, he's just another guy trying to do whatever he can to get high value toys he can use like stock investments.
So yeah, maybe he is "friends" with Hirota, I genuinely don't know, but to @zindabad's point, if the way you score Hirota now is to throw stupid money until he notices (since kissing his ass with crappy IG filtered reposts isn't enough anymore), then I am more than happy to be added to Hirota's blacklist forever than eat that moral shit sandwich.
Fair enough, PM the proof to me and I will personally email it to Hirota. At the end of the day this hobby is absolutely becoming absurd when it comes down to all this type of crap. Toys are supposed to make folks happy. Money seems to make some folks happier. Such is the world we live in.
Finally somebody keeping it real and calls out the bullshit that goes on behind the scenes! Nice work @kid_miracleman - the mods should give you bonus points or whatever system they have going here for Post of the Day.
This whole thing is getting really weird. I’ve had friends who remain loyal Hirota collectors tell be they were blocked and banned after selling a toy or two out of necessity and someone naming them to Hirota. Even so they still continue to support him. Now we are just naming names to increase our chances? Everyone who collects or trades HS partakes in the bs to some degree. Even if it’s just DMing people who post a toy they want making a cash offer enticing that person to become the flipper we all hate.
RxH Mori blocked me a while ago, I have no idea why. I didn’t even follow him. But since he started making toys I did nothing but support him, buying near a 100 toys of his even visiting his shop in Japan. Maybe it was because I sold off alot of stuff and he found out? But it was all minis and most probably sold for less than what I paid. Any way after that I just said fuck em’ and sold off most my other RxH, This whole toy maker policing their collector shit and the fragile egos is getting out of hand. And it’s not stopping shit or increasing any kind of loyalty.
Selling a toy out of necessity I don't think anyone here would care about. If you tell someone they should prefer homelessness over some misguided sense of loyalty they have to a toy maker that person is a monumental asshole. I've paid "flip" before but it was below market value to a cool, good person that had legit emergency issues they needed funding for. I am thankful that I am in the position to be able to afford to pay "market" rate on some pieces if the person is fair and honest.
But if you're telling me someone that just won a lotto and is offering to sell it for 6x markup isn't an asshole when they have done it multiple times, we just have a difference of opinion. That ain't necessity; that's greed.
Not really. This picture I posted was on his public profile. I didn't "name names" until he started bitching to someone that I was exploiting his child (was I the one that took the photo and posted it?) while being full of shit about a few things. If you're gonna flip something, that's your right, but don't make yourself out to be a saint when you're doing it. You lose the right to be offended at being called a hypocrite when you're being a hypocrite.
I think there are good ways to handle "flipping" and bad.
For example, I enter every Elegab lotto because he flat out said if you only buy occasionally it lowers your odds. So if I ever decide to sell a piece, it will be for a fair price to someone cool. I may not want every single release he puts out, but I don't want to lose my spot.
I do think that the rules are ill-defined, if at all, by artists. For those artists in the "hype" scene I think it would be a good idea to post what your rules are for your stuff so your fans can abide by your rules. Hell, I remember on Sunday at Five Points Fest I only bought the PK Cinema Monster from you when I really also wanted the Leatherface Cadaver Kid and something else I forget but 1) someone else I knew was hunting for that Cadaver Kid and 2) I didn't want to be greedy and was happy with what I got and 3) I didn't want to possibly offend you by picking up a bunch of special occasion stuff from the personal vault just because Robert and I were first in line.
To your point, there is a lot of bullshit happening in the scene right now and no one can tell anyone why. If Mori said "if you want to sell my toys, fine, but sell them for what you paid and you better hold onto them for a year, otherwise if I find out you can go fuck yourself", that's a pretty clear indication of those on the shitlist knew the rules and said they don't care anyway.
Johnny Comelately shows up on "the scene". Soon after his IG is flexing a bunch of X's work. The artist knows none of it came directly from them. 4 key take-aways:
1. Johnny has some level of appreciation for the artist's work.
2. He is clearly willing to spend money (albeit in the wrong places).
3. Since Johnny is paying inflated aftermarket prices, odds are he didn't come around just to cash-in/out.
4. Some reseller is profiting off that money burning a hole in Johnny's pocket.
So what can the artist do? Simple: cut out the middleman.
Frustrating as this may be for long-time fans getting edged-out or those (sans deep pockets) trying to build a collection, it's the most logical action an artist/maker can take given the circumstances.
TLDR @patrickvaz : agree to disagree
So yeah, not hard to understand why Hirota has taken this route and good for him becoming popular enough to do so... Still can't help but think HxS is painting himself into a corner with the ever-increasing exclusivity of his releases.
When sales solely cater to the select few, any artist's fan base will become stagnant and ultimately begin to wither away.
That’s not how this works, that’s not how any of this works
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