The fugliest toys you have seen while collecting.

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    It's like everything shitty in the hype collecting scene in 1 piece of shit! Amazing!
     
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    I'm perfectly content to loath apps by the man and still respect his life's work. Doesn't matter what I think, but to my eyes he's been doing more harm than good to innocent base colors for as while now. At least when he breaks out the nifty tricks.
     
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    Please tell me who makes this so I can track down the factory and burn them all
     
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    I'm calling that paint job 'piss-streak face gorilla'. Lots of technical ability and no soul whatsoever. Its a 'throw everything against the wall and see what sticks' approach, and in that gorilla's case its a sticky piss face.

    I would suggest he 'stick' to making the toys, but he should please stop painting them.
     
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    i know we were shitting on ron english just a week ago, but come the fuck on

     
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    But look at how it's packaged! STRAW!! THIS is exactly the sort of thing you need to be showing your non-toy friends and fam when you're making the case for this stuff as art.

    Wow, Ron English. Just... wow.
    Rock on with your Spencer Gifts discount bin self, I guess.
     
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    It’s so bizarre that Ron’s toys are so wack because his paintings are pretty amazing. Watch his Popaganda documentary on YouTube and you’ll see what I mean..
     
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    This just in. Apparently the Piss-Streak Face Custom TM is actually awesome, and not a horrendous overpriced abomination. My mistake. Sorry about that.

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    It looks like fools paradise made it. They make a lot of ugly stuff. Overly muscled Batman and superman getting tattoos. Topless stormtroopers riding things. And all very expensive
     
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    Disappointed but not surprised.

    This went up a few days ago and I didn't get what was happening at all. The second photo is today's post. Apparently the joke I was missing was just, "black people." And yeah, it's fugly too.



     
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    Just saw this posted and I'm not a PC Principal but man......I didn't realize it was still the 1920's. I think this "toy" is aiming for sheer shock value.

    EDIT* Just scrolled through the photos and it's blatant racism. Reported. They should know better.
     
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    Plenty of dudes entering too, including some I thought would know better.
     
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    If they are asian I would give them a free pass. They dont have the same view towards black face than the US, for them this is just cartoonish black people. If they are western maybe they just like edgy humor.

    Not everyone has the same sensibilities.

    Also apparently the toy is inspired by the show Little Ghost Q-Taro, this is just a color variation alongside the Joker Q one and the TV sets made by Johnny Ryan. The original is made by Awesome Toy.

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    Fuck a free pass, that colorway is inspired by black caricatures. Fuck that.
     
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    I don't think Asian artists/producers should get a pass on blackface/Sambo-type characters any more. There is a big problem with making (and then effectively marketing worldwide, thru IG) big-red-lipped "cartoonish black people" things: it's 1000% specifically, immediately suggestive of the U.S.A.'s (very, very well known) historical use of dehumanizing, hurtful caricature to reinforce a white public's prejudicial opinion of the country's former slave population, thereby propping up terrible, destructive laws enacted to control and repress that population. I have some understanding of the way this type of character has appeared/played in Asian pop culture, but at this moment in time, in a completely digitally connected world, I don't see much justification of it being continued by contemporary toy artists. Some things of the past are best left in the past. If the Asian artists making these things truly don't know what's up, I do wish someone would try to explain it to them, and I would hope they get it. It's easy enough to not make Sambos.

    And yes, shame on any American toy collector who buys one. Study yer history.
     
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    I disagree, the meaning and impact of an icon in a culture can be totally different yet have a common design. The blackface thing is seen as a stock character design in several countries, not as a derogatory stereotype. Also as you say we live in a globalized world, at this point in time people know that other cultures and people are complex entities, stereotyping is seen as a foolish thing as there is no excuse to actually believe that people are one dimensional.

    Is like saying that Robert Crumb or Ralph Bakshi are racist because they used and icon but gave it a totally different meaning withing their work, if someone makes a toy to make a reference or commentary towards old timey racism but not being racist themselves, then is the artist racist just because they gave an outdated icon a new meaning?

    I also think that people should be given the benefit of the doubt, I mean if someone who has never made a racist remark towards black people, lives in a country with almost non existen black population, and the icon itself was used in a total different context throughout their lives then what is more likely: that the artist made a toy to reference old time toy making practices or that the artist is racist?

    Obviously the first one.
     
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    You don't have to make a racist remark to be racist. It does not matter what the population of your country is. This is a garbage colorway. "Edgy" my ass; racist jokes are tired and boring.
     
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    and thats the reason edgy jokes will never go away
     
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    Speaking in terms of sheer volume, most blackface-related iconography has been produced in service of derogatory stereotyping, in the USA and abroad. Can you provide examples of other contemporary artists or designers using it "innocently"? Or, try to imagine an analogous situation... there are certain standard caricature tropes of Jews that have been popularly used in several different countries... can you imagine it would be cool to release a toy modeled on that? Should the level of acceptability for doing so be judged against how many actual Jews there are in the artist's home country?

    I'm not sure I totally follow what you're saying... "people" (most? all?) realize that people of other races/cultures... can't be reduced to/represented by one-dimensional caricatures ("stereotyping is seen as a foolish thing as there is no excuse to actually believe that people are one dimensional")? You are portraying a world far more enlightened than the one I live in. Yes, blackface caricatures are not complex, they're simple... simply racist. Don't take my word for it- I'm white. Take the word of the people these caricatures depict: black people. It's been communicated clearly and well by black people to the rest of us that these depictions were and are negative and hurtful, and that they would like to not see them made any more.

    It's not a good comparison. I don't see a "statement" here. The toy is a stand-alone object, and virtually context-free, compared to narrative work by Bakshi and Crumb. Also, you're talking about work Bakshi and Crumb made over 40 years ago. Crumb was regurgitating a headful of weird racist Americana that he grew up with, and the work was largely meant to provoke and make readers uncomfortable. Also, some of it has not aged well, and it would make no fucking sense (except maybe in a racist publication) coming from any contemporary white cartoonist.

    But they live on a small planet with a whole lot of black people... that they- again, in our globalized world- are connected to, whether they see black people on their local streets each day, or on their TVs, or not. Provincialism isn't an excuse. I don't think there's a "don't show this to black people" filter you can use when posting on IG.

    Most likely scenario is that the artist is ignorant of the depth of hurt and destruction that this very specific iconography is emblematic of to a vast swath of the population. "Old-time toy making practices"... in this case, that's exactly what I meant when I said above that some things of the past are best left in the past. There's already a ton of this shit in the world, and we know- because the people it caricatures have clearly told us- that it's not good stuff.
     
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    I think my point boilds down to be more forgiving on people who live outside the anglosphere and that the point of view of the offended is not the only one. Being an asshole towards actually ignorant people (as in they actually dont know) will not help anyone.
     
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    I looked up the #sofubi tag today, and I wish I hadn’t.
    A bunch of half-assed recycled sofvi ideas, ugly-as-fuck toys, and my my, racism!

    @Matt_Ramírez - Have you seen the other images on this “artist’s” account? If that isn’t disgustingly racist, then I don’t know what is.

    And this probably crosses over into the realm of the “Fuck You” thread, but FUCK every damn person who posted hearts, “NEEEED”, that kind of shit, on this piece of crap. You’re scum, and I hope you don’t have children, because your ignorance should die with you.
     
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    I am not, nor am I advocating, being an asshole to actually ignorant people. Such people need help understanding why this type of iconography should be left to the past, and that may include the people who made this paint version of the toy. Of course such a convo should not be conducted in an asshole way.

    If you think I was being an asshole to you, I'm sorry. I definitely snarked a bit. Lifelong hot topic for me.
     
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    let's just go back to discussing genitals on toys.
     
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