That was indeed an unfortunate ending to the episode, if this week they finally started to thread some things together (a bit too conveniently though). The l̶a̶z̶y̶ ̶w̶r̶i̶t̶i̶n̶g̶ coincidences keep piling up in the show though, with the Vinci chief 'meeting' Woodrugh in that fashion. Must've been a mighty specific fortune cookie. ["These tunnels run under the entire city."] Is the finale really going to be 90mins? I think I would rather just have HBO give me another straight two episodes, than sit through one long viewing. This isn't a show, surprisingly, I feel the need to binge on and have trouble waiting impatiently until next week's airing.
Two of the "True Detectives" have now been shot semi-in the back. How can you be a true detective without having your head on a swivel? He runs through the door only to blindly keep moving forward. Yes it sucks he was shot, but damn that is also a WEAK detective move if you ask me. I wish someone would have said that shit wouldn't happen like that in real life.....
I figured it was because he killed everyone who was at the meeting so he thought he was in the clear.
Spoilers within if you aren't caught up yet(don't think the few of us in this thread aren't :p) pretty good summation and theory for the season thus far. Definitely connects some dots but who really knows how the finale will turn out. Looking forward to binge watching all 8 episodes after it ends to see all the details I missed myself. http://uproxx.com/tv/2015/08/true-detec ... oms-recap/ I'm not sure Velcoro and Frank are making it out of this alive.. Any other death predictions?
I have to disagree, I found his death kind of fitting. He had an odd form of closure when he killed his "partner" who knew his secret and knew(assumed, something bad could happen to them still) his mother and girlfriend were safe from harm. I feel he was somewhat at peace when he opened that door. He was so terrified of his closeted feelings from being exposed and now there is no one to tell the tale, he went about his feelings foolishly and died in a similar fashion.
Thanks for that, it helped get things straight in my head. They certainly throw a lot of names around. How the hell did Burris know Woodrugh would come out that door? Woodrugh was running all over the place under the streets, how could anyone predict he would climb up that particular access ladder? Such a stretch. A significant death-scene for the show, and i'm supposed to be convinced by that. What was it he exited from anyway, a disused subway station or something? The Beavis inside me very much enjoyed Frank burning down those two casinos. I never thought i'd say this, but i'm actually starting to like ol' Frank. Even with his Shatner-esque 'pause acting' style of delivery . . . .
I will binge watch this season after it's over, but it sounds like I am not really missing anything. See below for a great montage of all the awful one liners/exposition to date: https://www.yahoo.com/tv/true-detective ... 95910.html
I dig VV in this, and I generally can't stand him. The bad dialogue kinda works for me for some strange reason. It's hack writing, but inspired in some surreal way, like Z-grade noir. Watched Asphalt Jungle recently and it's weirdness made me think of True Detective. The whole Burris behind the door deal is simply lazy writing. At least make it look like it was by pure luck he runs across Moto Cop.
If I am remembering correctly wasn't the door locked or barred anyway and he had to break his way through? Why would the assassin hide behind a locked door...
I've just surrendered to the fact that this season is supposed to be super cliché and unrealistic, and just don't question anything anymore. Honestly, I'm starting to think this season is just supposed to be overdramatic and bad on purpose. Just rolling with it now and enjoying it a lot more now that I'm not expecting much. Either way, I hope this was a lesson to HBO to not mess up a good thing. The first season was damn good. They should have just made this season a whole different show, because aside from the opening credits and the fact that there are detectives running around solving crimes, there really isn't much similarity between the two seasons at all.
Yep, totally. That sums it up for me. I've been enjoying it, but i think my expectations were too high.
That was my immediate thought when I watched it. Just weak! And I concur on the opening credits . . . definitely a highlight of this season!
So every stupid recap on youtube is a bunch of douchebags chin scratching about this show. I can't sit through any of them, nor can I sift through reviews people write. Can someone spoil the last two episodes for me, since I can longer watch? I take it motocop has been killed? I just need simple summaries not people waxing poetically about this show (not people here just what I start to read online).
C&P from wikipedia: Spoiler 14 6 "Church in Ruins" Miguel Sapochnik Nic Pizzolatto & Scott Lasser July 26, 2015 2.34[6] Velcoro and Semyon discuss the tip that led Velcoro to his wife's alleged rapist, with Semyon swearing that he thought the information was genuine at the time. Satisfied that Semyon did not intentionally mislead him, Velcoro confronts the man arrested for the rape in prison, promising to kill him. After an awkward supervised visit with his son, Velcoro goes on a cocaine- and alcohol-fueled bender before calling his ex-wife and agreeing to drop the custody case on the condition that she never reveal her son's true parentage. Meanwhile, Woodrugh follows up on the missing diamonds to find that they were part of a cache stolen during a double homicide and robbery in the 1992 riots that orphaned two children, making the diamonds untraceable. Semyon starts searching for Irina, making an agreement with a Mexican cartel that will allow them to move drugs through his clubs. Irina calls Semyon and reveals that she had been given the items from Caspere's home by a police officer. Semyon arranges to meet her so that she can identify the man from a photo, but when he arrives at the site, he finds her dead, having been killed by the Mexicans for dealing with police. Outnumbered and empty-handed, Semyon is forced to accept the deal with the Mexicans. Bezzerides goes undercover, posing as Athena to infiltrate one of the parties. With no phone, transmitter or weapon, she is forced to rely on Woodrugh and Velcoro for support. At the party, she is drugged and taken to the guests with a busload of other girls. Her attempts to search the party are hampered by the male guests and hallucinations of a strange man from her childhood, implying that she was sexually abused. As Woodrugh and Velcoro sneak in, they observe a meeting between McCandless and Osip where McCandless admits that Osip's investment in the rail project was far more lucrative than Semyon's. The two steal a set of contracts from McCandless' office. Bezzerides locates Vera at the party and attempts to get her out, but is forced to kill a guard in the process. She and Vera are found by Woodrugh who escorts them to Velcoro in a waiting car. As the four escape, Woodrugh goes over the stolen contracts and starts to realize the scale of what they are involved in. 15 7 "Black Maps and Motel Rooms" Daniel Attias Nic Pizzolatto August 2, 2015 2.18[7] The task force regroups after the party to allow Vera and Bezzerides to recover from the drugs they were given while Velcoro and Woodrugh go over the documents that link Catalyst and McCandless to Osip. When morning comes, Woodrugh and Bezzerides move their families to safety while Velcoro reports to Semyon. Woodrugh discovers that Bezzerides is wanted for questioning over the death of the security guard she killed at the party while Velcoro has been named as a suspect in Davis' murder. Woodrugh is contacted by a third party blackmailing him with photos from his night with Gilb. Using information from Semyon, Vera and the police database, the three are able to formulate a theory on Caspere's death: that a group of corrupt police—Holloway, Burris, Dixon and Caspere—used the 1992 riots to steal the diamonds which they used to buy into the Vinci power structure; however, Laura, a child orphaned during the robbery, tracked them down and after posing as Caspere's assistant, killed him after confirming his involvement. Everything from their discovery of the diamonds through to the shoot-out with Ledo Amarilla has been manipulated from behind the scenes by Vinci PD to cover up their involvement in the original crime. Meanwhile, Semyon confronts Blake over his role in Osip's operation; Blake admits that Osip is trying to force Semyon out of business with the help of Chessani's son Tony, who Osip will install as mayor of Vinci to act as his puppet. When pushed further, Blake confesses to having killed Stan and staging the murder to imitate Caspere's death. Semyon kills him and arranges for Jordan to escape. Meanwhile Velcoro approaches Davis with their evidence but finds here shot dead in her car. When approached by Osip, Semyon bows out gracefully and accepts a role as manager of Osip's clubs. However, having learned of a money drop in which Osip will transfer $12 million to Tony Chessani, Semyon takes his cash reserves and burns the properties to hurt Osip's business. Faced with the realization of just how powerful their enemies are, Velcoro and Bezzerides sleep together. Meanwhile, Woodrugh is lured to a meeting with his blackmailer, Holloway, who demands the documents taken from the party. Woodrugh overpowers him and is drawn into a shootout with the Black Mountain private security accompanying Holloway on behalf of McCandless, but as he makes his escape, he is shot twice by Lieutenant Burris.
Basic summary for you Lixx: (I'll try and keep to the main points and generalise from what you might want to know) The 'team' have discovered that the blue diamonds (belonging to Caspere and shown in some of the blackmail photos) came from a jewelry heist following the LA riots. This was the start of the connection between Caspere - who was some kind of accountant at the time, and the team of corrupt cops - basically every person in law enforcement and government we were introduced to before were involved. And the collusion between them all is meant to have continued until the present. Meanwhile, the team discovers the location of one of the sex parties all the men of power (and Caspere) apparently frequent. They arrange to sneak Bezzerides in, where she sees the men of note (including the police chief) and "rescues" the missing girl she had been searching for. At the same party, Velcoro and Woodrugh steal documents pertaining to the land deal in the corridor which provide the evidence of the illegal dealings between everyone. Turns out the girl didn't want to be rescued after all. And the evil guys know it was all them. Semyon (VV) learns that his henchman was the one betraying him, running girls, colluding with the Russians who are taking over all his business, and who killed his other dude (who was getting wise). He confronts him and gets all the information from him, and also learns that he gave up the 'fake raper' crackhead to Velcoro for a personal debt. Semyon plans a massive strikeback against the Russians to take his money back and flee the country with his wife. The DA in charge of the team trying to drive the investigation gets murdered, everyone (cops, city) is against the team for various illegal actions, so they all stay in hiding. But someone sends photos of Woodrugh with his BF to his cellphone as a threat, and when he goes to investigate he is confronted by his ex-partner and the dirty cops - who want all the documents they stole at the party. He is killed. Key summary to this point - Velcoro and Bezzerides on the run, with no one to turn to (everyone dead or corrupt). Semyon angry and going to go full-on assault on the Russians. Caspere's murder remains the mystery, but is implied to have come from now-adult kids who were orphaned in the original jewelry heist. That's mainly it. A few more details on some of the many, many, dangling plotlines thrown out there, but which don't impact the 'detective' story. Hopefully a little helpful. Just reading the wiki summaries tells you how convoluted the show has become.
The best part of this season was listening to the "Welcome to Vinci" podcast the following day. Learned lots of cool history about California. http://www.scpr.org/programs/welcome-to-vinci/
For the past few years when I see cops hunting cops or cops hunting down a person and killing everyone in the way it seemed like getting rid of people with intel to me. This season just echoed that. I'll have to listen to the Vinci podcast. But the show reminded me of Christopher Dorner and I wondered if when the cops killed the two ladies in the truck of those ladies weren't somehow connected like the prostitues or family members. I am not to big of a conspiracy guy but with the police being so out of hand lately I wonder if it all isn't really preplanned executions for corporate gangsters. Otherwise...good season overall. Some intense acting.
I'm fine with the season and even the ending for the most part. I just wish Ray played out the ending a little better. He was doing fine until he just jumps out????? Best part for me was when she tells Frank: "You stopped moving way back there." So crushing
I finally found links on youtube to all the relevant end scenes for most of the characters. Having not seen the last 3 episodes but seeing how it ends, I have to say not bad endings. I kind of figured tragedy would visit a few of the characters but had no idea 3 out of 4 leads would be dead. Maybe that should be the new trend? Stop watching the bloat parts and just watch the capsulated endings for full effect?
