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Author:  garadama [ Sun Jun 17, 2007 5:51 am ]
Post subject:  shill bid.. how can that be avoided ?
Just got an RxH item from lcatnz who so-called to be in new zealand. The item is shipped from Hong Kong. Verified with other member here, the address shipped from lcatnz is exactly the same shipped by auction_toy

The worst thing is I found auction_toy bid on the item listed by lcatnz !!!
Holy cow !! There is no way to report to the ebay for such shill bid coz the account use a different IP

so auction_toy = old_balance = lcatnz
BEWARE !!
Author:  atease [ Sun Jun 17, 2007 7:11 am ]
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this is really too bad. i'm sorry that happened to you.

doesn't this person post on this board as well??
Author:  Autopsy [ Sun Jun 17, 2007 8:11 am ]
Post subject:  Re: shill bid.. how can that be avoided ?
garadama wrote:
Just got an RxH item from lcatnz who so-called to be in new zealand. The item is shipped from Hong Kong. Verified with other member here, the address shipped from lcatnz is exactly the same shipped by auction_toy

The worst thing is I found auction_toy bid on the item listed by lcatnz !!!
Holy cow !! There is no way to report to the ebay for such shill bid coz the account use a different IP

so auction_toy = old_balance = lcatnz
BEWARE !!


I believe the Bay can do something since shipping address is the same
Author:  jocappy [ Sun Jun 17, 2007 8:46 am ]
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Just to shill, no other reason if this is a fact. Crazy.
Author:  garadama [ Sun Jun 17, 2007 9:08 am ]
Post subject:  Re: shill bid.. how can that be avoided ?
Autopsy wrote:
garadama wrote:
Just got an RxH item from lcatnz who so-called to be in new zealand. The item is shipped from Hong Kong. Verified with other member here, the address shipped from lcatnz is exactly the same shipped by auction_toy

The worst thing is I found auction_toy bid on the item listed by lcatnz !!!
Holy cow !! There is no way to report to the ebay for such shill bid coz the account use a different IP

so auction_toy = old_balance = lcatnz
BEWARE !!


I believe the Bay can do something since shipping address is the same


Thanks ! Glad I still kept the box !! See what ebay can do then, I'll inquire what they can do with such case.
Author:  Slack [ Sun Jun 17, 2007 1:54 pm ]
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kidclam strikes again, he's like a fucking disease single handedly infecting the entire kaiju community

fuck you clam!
Author:  Shelf Monkey [ Sun Jun 17, 2007 3:18 pm ]
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Watch out, I bet this guy has some mussel!!!

Nah, just a batch of crabs that penicillin can't cure.

And do your homework, report fraud, and let us know when it happens.
Author:  kidclam [ Sun Jun 17, 2007 8:09 pm ]
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Slack wrote:
kidclam strikes again, he's like a fucking disease single handedly infecting the entire kaiju community

fuck you clam!


go fuck yourself. get your facts right.

garadama and i are good friends.
Author:  Slack [ Mon Jun 18, 2007 12:22 am ]
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the only fact I'm not clear on is exactly how many times you've been discovered shill bidding, is it 3, 4, 5 or more??
Author:  kidclam [ Mon Jun 18, 2007 1:47 am ]
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Really? What auction at what price did it end? what was the reason? I really don't want to have to explain myself here, but too many paranoid people in your side of the world have to ask me over and over again and people like you who just wouldn't shut your crack. Are you like 18 years old?

The auctions was about to end at around $10, some of them with no bids, so my wife put down $4000 last 10 seconds to guarantee we get the item back so we won't lose hundreds of dollars on some dj gear we were selling. We could not cancel the auctions since it past the last 12 hours.

You are really starting to bore people here, we just want to talk about toys. I don't know why I have to keep getting people on this board who can't seem to mind their own business.

Whipping up hysteria requires magnifying the foe, and if you try to put my name with Auction Toy/chaos/Yperhobby/ etc. and say I am infecting the whole community then be the moral police you like to be, the person who don't even look at the truth and keep on doing the "Stop people from..." campaign. Your intimidating replies are only making you look like a fool in the end. Just grow up ok?
Author:  havingmysay [ Mon Jun 18, 2007 2:12 am ]
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kidclam wrote:
The auctions was about to end at around $10, some of them with no bids, so my wife put down $4000 last 10 seconds to guarantee we get the item back so we won't lose hundreds of dollars on some dj gear we were selling. We could not cancel the auctions since it past the last 12 hours.


maybe you should have had a higher minimum bid? pretty simple.
Author:  kidclam [ Mon Jun 18, 2007 2:52 am ]
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havingmysay wrote:
kidclam wrote:
The auctions was about to end at around $10, some of them with no bids, so my wife put down $4000 last 10 seconds to guarantee we get the item back so we won't lose hundreds of dollars on some dj gear we were selling. We could not cancel the auctions since it past the last 12 hours.


maybe you should have had a higher minimum bid? pretty simple.


yep. live and learn. but at times I would still start low still if risk isn't high... however my mini bakos ended at 9.99 last week.
Author:  audiodifficulties [ Mon Jun 18, 2007 7:23 am ]
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The last time we heard this story it wasn't your wife bidding.
That is a nice new touch.


kidclam wrote:
Really? What auction at what price did it end? what was the reason? I really don't want to have to explain myself here, but too many paranoid people in your side of the world have to ask me over and over again and people like you who just wouldn't shut your crack. Are you like 18 years old?

The auctions was about to end at around $10, some of them with no bids, so my wife put down $4000 last 10 seconds to guarantee we get the item back so we won't lose hundreds of dollars on some dj gear we were selling. We could not cancel the auctions since it past the last 12 hours.

You are really starting to bore people here, we just want to talk about toys. I don't know why I have to keep getting people on this board who can't seem to mind their own business.

Whipping up hysteria requires magnifying the foe, and if you try to put my name with Auction Toy/chaos/Yperhobby/ etc. and say I am infecting the whole community then be the moral police you like to be, the person who don't even look at the truth and keep on doing the "Stop people from..." campaign. Your intimidating replies are only making you look like a fool in the end. Just grow up ok?
:roll: :roll: :roll:
Author:  Slack [ Mon Jun 18, 2007 12:44 pm ]
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fact, you shill bid and should not be trusted, period.

kidclam wrote:
The auctions was about to end at around $10, some of them with no bids, so my wife put down $4000 last 10 seconds to guarantee we get the item back so we won't lose hundreds of dollars on some dj gear we were selling.
Author:  DYBBUKIM [ Mon Jun 18, 2007 1:04 pm ]
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How about back to auction_toy = old_balance = lcatnz ?

Any of you RFSO's gonna cancel your bids on his ebay auctions?

Supporting these auctions only hurts the board. JUST SAY NO!
Author:  audiodifficulties [ Mon Jun 18, 2007 3:14 pm ]
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I almost just placed a bid on one of his auctions till I realized it was him.
Can't we do something about the fact he's listed as NZ and not hong kong.. ah lovely hong kong.
Author:  garadama [ Mon Jun 18, 2007 7:08 pm ]
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I think this is how brianflynn define "flip"
http://www.skullbrain.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=11257
Get an item from S7 and immediately flip in on YJA . 100% fit what brian say

Another item listed by auction_toy(bay) = chaos(forum) = old balance(real world)= lcatnz(bay) = bobbaby006(YJA)
http://page.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/98592520
Author:  liquidsky [ Mon Jun 18, 2007 9:02 pm ]
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Where is all the love?
You all espouse so much hate.
Author:  DYBBUKIM [ Mon Jun 18, 2007 9:43 pm ]
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As Frank likes to say: "Bring on the hate!"

(. . .and I really like to say it better than I mean it.)
Author:  DYBBUKIM [ Mon Jun 18, 2007 9:43 pm ]
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:P
Author:  Darky [ Tue Jun 19, 2007 12:53 am ]
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audiodifficulties wrote:
I almost just placed a bid on one of his auctions till I realized it was him.
Can't we do something about the fact he's listed as australia and not hong kong.. ah lovely hong kong.


Ahem, please do not confuse NZ for Australia :)
Author:  audiodifficulties [ Tue Jun 19, 2007 1:48 am ]
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Sorry my bad.. I was just going off memory of what the auction had said.
Please forgive the ignorance. ;)


Darky wrote:
audiodifficulties wrote:
I almost just placed a bid on one of his auctions till I realized it was him.
Can't we do something about the fact he's listed as australia and not hong kong.. ah lovely hong kong.


Ahem, please do not confuse NZ for Australia :)
Author:  alifeintoys [ Tue Jun 19, 2007 3:14 am ]
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Slack wrote:
fact, you shill bid and should not be trusted, period.

kidclam wrote:
The auctions was about to end at around $10, some of them with no bids, so my wife put down $4000 last 10 seconds to guarantee we get the item back so we won't lose hundreds of dollars on some dj gear we were selling.


guess noone from this board could complain about shill bidding.
is there any big difference between shill bidding and "staying away"?
a seller or a bidder gets fxxked - so prolly only the perspective of one
or the other that u share.


would appreciate one character - kidclam or garadama - to fade away
as both are pretty confusing.
Author:  jltohru [ Tue Jun 19, 2007 3:56 am ]
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alifeintoys wrote:


guess noone from this board could complain about shill bidding.
is there any big difference between shill bidding and "staying away"?
a seller or a bidder gets fxxked - so prolly only the perspective of one
or the other that u share.


i know what shilling is, but what does "staying away" mean here??

and i'm really not sure why nobody should complain about shill bidding? or what the context of that statement is? Last i checked, its a practice that artificially raises the cost of toys, or anything else, in any auction context.

sorry if i'm missing something but i have no clue what u are trying to say here.
Author:  redhanded [ Tue Jun 19, 2007 6:53 am ]
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"staying away" What does that mean again?

And yeah perspectives are different from side to side the the only way a seller gets fukt is if the buyer does not pay, or pay in a timely manner. The seller clearly does not get fukt if he wants and item go go for 500 bucks and he/she starts it at 1 dollar and it goes for 1 dollar. His/her fault, they know the rules on the bay, maybe they fuck themselves but its really their fault and should be wise enough to understand that this is business, even though its ebay, and ethics are expected.
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