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xoconostle wrote:

LASH wrote:

I'm wondering if he is trying to create artificial market value.

Just playing devil's advocate here, so please don't take this as a personal affront or whatever, but if a bidder's high bid is sincere ... the bidder is actually willing to pay that, then isn't said bidder a participant in market value inflation? How is the person who bids you up to your highest offer any more "guilty" than you? I understand that the "good" bidder's perspective is merely "I'll pay crazy money because I want that thing so badly" but regardless of perspective, the objective effect is the same, should that high bid turn out to be the final one. Doesn't matter if it was bid up by a manipulator or a true collector. The market knows no ethics, only numbers.

Again, don't get mad because I'm totally with you guys on resenting this behavior ... but what if, just what if this guy's bids are as sincere as yours, but he isn't willing to bid as highly as you? Wouldn't the "walk away" behavior be a matter of concessions? "All right, you win" ??

Maybe there's something I'm missing something here, just thinking out loud.

Author:	Rich [ Sat Feb 23, 2008 1:52 pm ]
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Are you a member here ??

Author:	Krudler [ Sat Feb 23, 2008 2:32 pm ]
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He has 3 negatives so I'm not sure he could maintain a 3rd party YJA account. He also likes to bid people up to their max then walk away from the auction. He might be a shill or just an asshole but he's messed with a bunch of stuff I was bidding on in ways that lead me to think something's up. If I see him on anything I want even remotely I bid it up, if his top bid gets exposed I'll sometimes walk. He doesn't get any bargains if I find them while he's on them. If he's an SBer he's the only one I consistently bid up who hasn't done it to me a few times too many first. Actually atm there are no SBers I bid up intentionally (meaning I'm aware of who they are here).

Author:	Darky [ Sat Feb 23, 2008 3:10 pm ]
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+1 to Krudlers response.

Author:	Rich [ Sat Feb 23, 2008 3:17 pm ]
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Same here he has bid me up as well ! I asked because if he is a memeber here I want he/she to know what a douche he/she is and I hope he/she gets exposed soon. I heard a rumor that it is indeed a member here. I just want to see if he/she steps up.

Author:	Locomoco [ Sat Feb 23, 2008 3:21 pm ]
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sheesh... after all that, do you think he'd say who he/she is?

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Author:	Rich [ Sat Feb 23, 2008 3:23 pm ]
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Locomoco wrote: sheesh... after all that, do you think he'd say who he/she is? I doubt he/she would reply anyway.

Author:	Joe [ Sat Feb 23, 2008 3:25 pm ]
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Interesting. Had a current bid destroyed by this guy. Does (s)he actually pay in the end?

Author:	hillsy11 [ Sat Feb 23, 2008 3:39 pm ]
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I most certainly do. jokes, jokes....

Author:	KLaddict [ Sat Feb 23, 2008 10:37 pm ]
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This guy is the top bidder on every RxH item that is rare. It's pissing me off. What'd he do to you Lash?

Author:	akum6n [ Sun Feb 24, 2008 5:15 am ]
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Ok, I've just watched this guy scoop up two sets of the Mini-Chaos sets from Wonderfest with a total BIN of JPY 66000. Seriously, what the fuck?

Author:	Rich [ Sun Feb 24, 2008 6:50 am ]
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KLaddict wrote: This guy is the top bidder on every RxH item that is rare. It's pissing me off. What'd he do to you Lash? He is the fucker that ran up BOOTH of my higher priced auctions. The flesh painted evil and unpainted blue ryusei. Hmmmmm I think people know who he is

Author:	Shirahama [ Sun Feb 24, 2008 7:26 am ]
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akum6n wrote: Ok, I've just watched this guy scoop up two sets of the Mini-Chaos sets from Wonderfest with a total BIN of JPY 66000. Seriously, what the fuck? Am I reading that right, 66000 for one set????

Author:	Rich [ Sun Feb 24, 2008 7:28 am ]
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Could be, he does some really stupid shit.

Author:	akum6n [ Sun Feb 24, 2008 7:31 am ]
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No, it was two sets. He picked up the first one at 38000 and the second at 24800. Ok, I miscalculated- it was only 62800 total. Baikin wrote: akum6n wrote: Ok, I've just watched this guy scoop up two sets of the Mini-Chaos sets from Wonderfest with a total BIN of JPY 66000. Seriously, what the fuck? Am I reading that right, 66000 for one set????

Author:	Yuck!!! [ Sun Feb 24, 2008 7:53 am ]
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I am so sorry for you hardcore collectors that someone like this exists. Perhaps there could be some ironic toy-related retaliation for when they are exposed? Deathquid (or maybe Rangeas...) up the caboose or some such?

Author:	bryce_r [ Sun Feb 24, 2008 11:59 am ]
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Totally. Some of that stuff happens on ebay as well. Bidders keep jacking up prices and then bail out. Can't stand it.

Author:	toybotstudios [ Sun Feb 24, 2008 12:44 pm ]
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as Dean suggests, it takes at least two to inflate the bid. it's all relative anyways. this guy is probably a high roller that doesn't give a fuck....

Author:	Dean [ Sun Feb 24, 2008 12:47 pm ]
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Yeah, I have no doubt you know what you're talking about. I've seen the same thing on eBay, but never know if it's shady or legit. Gather your pitchforks and torches citizens!

Author:	KLaddict [ Sun Feb 24, 2008 10:21 am ]
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He's gonna have to get kicked off sooner or later.

Author:	Krudler [ Sun Feb 24, 2008 11:44 am ]
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He won an Expo Chaos for 38,177 yen last week too. He should be getting some feedback soon since that plus the RxH mini sets is close to 100,000 yen. In the past he would bid up slowly get a top bid exposed then leave the bidder to pay their high bid (unless someone else outbid them). Market manipulation?

Author:	Rich [ Sun Feb 24, 2008 12:32 pm ]
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I'm wondering if he is trying to create artificial market value.

Author:	Dean [ Sun Feb 24, 2008 12:38 pm ]
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LASH wrote: I'm wondering if he is trying to create artificial market value. Just playing devil's advocate here, so please don't take this as a personal affront or whatever, but if a bidder's high bid is sincere ... the bidder is actually willing to pay that, then isn't said bidder a participant in market value inflation? How is the person who bids you up to your highest offer any more "guilty" than you? I understand that the "good" bidder's perspective is merely "I'll pay crazy money because I want that thing so badly" but regardless of perspective, the objective effect is the same, should that high bid turn out to be the final one. Doesn't matter if it was bid up by a manipulator or a true collector. The market knows no ethics, only numbers. Again, don't get mad because I'm totally with you guys on resenting this behavior ... but what if, just what if this guy's bids are as sincere as yours, but he isn't willing to bid as highly as you? Wouldn't the "walk away" behavior be a matter of concessions? "All right, you win" ?? Maybe there's something I'm missing something here, just thinking out loud.

Author:	mikeee [ Sun Feb 24, 2008 12:38 pm ]
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LASH wrote: I'm wondering if he is trying to create artificial market value. That's most likely the case. I'm suspicious that these are the people that offer themselves as a service to sellers that want their stuff to sell at high prices. Shill bidding and increasing market value. It happens quite a lot on eBay where the same people are constantly bidding on auctions from different sellers but never end up buying.

Author:	Rich [ Sun Feb 24, 2008 12:44 pm ]
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xoconostle wrote: LASH wrote: I'm wondering if he is trying to create artificial market value. Just playing devil's advocate here, so please don't take this as a personal affront or whatever, but if a bidder's high bid is sincere ... the bidder is actually willing to pay that, then isn't said bidder a participant in market value inflation? How is the person who bids you up to your highest offer any more "guilty" than you? I understand that the "good" bidder's perspective is merely "I'll pay crazy money because I want that thing so badly" but regardless of perspective, the objective effect is the same, should that high bid turn out to be the final one. Doesn't matter if it was bid up by a manipulator or a true collector. The market knows no ethics, only numbers. Again, don't get mad because I'm totally with you guys on resenting this behavior ... but what if, just what if this guy's bids are as sincere as yours, but he isn't willing to bid as highly as you? Wouldn't the "walk away" behavior be a matter of concessions? "All right, you win" ?? Maybe there's something I'm missing something here, just thinking out loud. If its sincere than its cool, but giving his history I'm betting this isn't the case. He has a history of bidding up auctions of people he KNOWS want said item, then bailing.

Author:	Krudler [ Sun Feb 24, 2008 12:54 pm ]
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His bidding pattern doesn't indicate he sincerely wants the item. He just wants you to pay top dollar. It happens way too much to be sincere collecting. He's gotten wins a few times this week so if he's not a shill he better really want the item.

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