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Author:  Pogue [ Tue Jun 03, 2008 5:13 pm ]
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http://www.realclearpolitics.com/news/a ... ation.html
Author:  bryce_r [ Tue Jun 03, 2008 5:16 pm ]
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Wow. Cnn shows him 4 short still but that's good news that it might be finally over.
Author:  kidclam [ Tue Jun 03, 2008 5:19 pm ]
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How much did Clinton spend for this fight?
Author:  Roger [ Tue Jun 03, 2008 5:54 pm ]
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What cracks me up is the right-wing talk radio morans (Hannity, Malzberg, Crowley, etc.) screaming about how Obama is a socialist and if he wins the presidency it's going to be a Marxist administration, etc.

He's a US senator, fer chrissakes. He's just as much of a corporate whore as the rest of them. At least he won't be giving everything away to the Chinese (unless Hillary gets the veep nomination and a rubber stamp).
Author:  bryce_r [ Tue Jun 03, 2008 6:00 pm ]
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I don't think it'll go to Hilary for vp. I would actually be shocked.
Author:  Roger [ Tue Jun 03, 2008 6:02 pm ]
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Yeah, I don't think Obama is dumb enough to ask her, nor do I think she's humble enough to accept it.
Author:  khanate [ Tue Jun 03, 2008 6:13 pm ]
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Roger wrote:
What cracks me up is the right-wing talk radio morans


Damn, that's pretty iranic.....err, I mean ironic.
Author:  Roger [ Tue Jun 03, 2008 6:49 pm ]
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Oh, come on, you knew what I was referencing.
Author:  khanate [ Tue Jun 03, 2008 7:03 pm ]
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Roger wrote:
Oh, come on, you knew what I was referencing.

yeah, but that specific play on words was too good to pass up 8)
Author:  Autodactyl [ Tue Jun 03, 2008 8:43 pm ]
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Ron English did a great job with this print. Totally killed it IMO. It's up at UP.

Image
Author:  locomoto566 [ Tue Jun 03, 2008 8:53 pm ]
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It's a vibe. One that I'm feeling.
Author:  khanate [ Tue Jun 03, 2008 9:13 pm ]
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That print just reminds me that a lot of outrageously optimistic assumptions are being made on rhetoric and campaign promises. Having said that, I'm voting for the guy.
Author:  Roger [ Tue Jun 03, 2008 9:20 pm ]
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I don't know what to make of it. Is he going to lead the North to victory in another civil war or be the first president in 150 years to wear a top hat?
Author:  Autodactyl [ Tue Jun 03, 2008 11:19 pm ]
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The Emancipation Proclamation comes to mind. Might also have something to do with bipartisanship (or irony?), considering Abe was a Republican. I'm sure Ron has an even deeper message in mind though.
Author:  khanate [ Tue Jun 03, 2008 11:47 pm ]
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Autodactyl wrote:
The Emancipation Proclamation comes to mind. Might also have something to do with bipartisanship (or irony?), considering Abe was a Republican. I'm sure Ron has an even deeper message in mind though.


Well, here's to hoping he can liberate us from the worst administration in the history of this country... Unfortunately, the smoke and mirrors of the last 2 elections proved that our system is so broken, I doubt he'll even get the chance.
Author:  SAMBA [ Wed Jun 04, 2008 12:25 am ]
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its good really as I do have a special kind of hatred for Billary- but unfortunatly (as a lot of people have already mentioned) I think Obama may just be the same shit re-branded to fool the public into thinking they are getting a change.

Anyways you can't be pessermistic all of the time, so until Obama does
somthing I don't like ( which he hasn't yet) I'm gonna take him at his word.

Good luck America! :I
Author:  damaged Bryan [ Wed Jun 04, 2008 5:46 am ]
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SAMBA wrote:
its good really as I do have a special kind of hatred for Billary- but unfortunatly (as a lot of people have already mentioned) I think Obama may just be the same shit re-branded to fool the public into thinking they are getting a change.


This is the first year I've been involved and knowledgeable of politics. Personally I agree with you Samba, that's why I didn't care or vote. But my wife has sparked my interest in politics. Obama seems like he is going a different path then everyone else, but as you said and others he's still a politician. But at this point he seems the least scummy.
Author:  Autodactyl [ Wed Jun 04, 2008 7:15 am ]
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I've been following Obama since around 2004, and am a big news junkie, and can tell you that, while he's not perfect, he is def. one of the most honest politicians out there. When he was asked to name one of his weaknesses during a debate, he actually named a weakness, unlike his opponents at the time. While McCain and Clinton were busy pandering with their gas tax holiday idea, he stuck by his guns and said it was a gimmick (which is the case). When Rev. Wright became a liability, instead of doing what most politicians might (cut his ties) he stuck by the man and delivered one of the most important speeches on race in recent time (which he actually wrote himself). It was only after Wright threw him under the bus with his narcissistic rants that Obama cut his ties. So, I look at these things (and many others) and come to the conclusion that the man is the real deal. I hope he continues on the right path, b/c it's easy to stray when you attain political power. He def. did so with his speech last night. It was incredibly selfless and quite uplifting (note he made no mention of his own historic accomplishment, but rather gave lots of credit to Hillary and Bill, despite all the things they did and said against Obama). So, as cliche as it might sound, there is hope.
Author:  SaintOfSpinners [ Wed Jun 04, 2008 7:23 am ]
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pt 1 from my blog:



Since I was a child, during each election season, I would hear the same message from voters, that all they had to choose from was the lesser of two evils. With Obama the choice is different. What we are choosing from is the greater of all messages. For me this election has become less about what the man’s policies are for I believe those policies will be forced upon him by the corporations that run our nation. And neither do I believe in the need for experience, for Bush, a former governor and a man whose father was President before him, has proven that experience can still lead to complete and utter failure. What’s important about Obama is the message that he brings to the people and that this message resonates throughout our civilizations and raises us up to become better people in a better world.

Hope, change, dialogue. These words, these messages, are essential to mankind’s progress and opposite to what we have been fed by the government for the last 8 years. Hope is that which drives us forward. Hope is what makes us want to try, and makes us persistent for a better tomorrow, if not for a better today. Hope is what gives us the ability and desire for change. Change is the opportunity to do things better then they had been done before. If what we are doing is not working try something different. Change your method, change your ways. Change for the better. With a little hope change goes a long way.

And most importantly, what was rejected by Bush and continues to be rejected in some degrees by the other candidates, is dialogue. How can we figure out the best way to change, how can we understand the hopes of others, without open discussions and the willingness to have dialogues with those who do not necessarily see the world as we do. The rejection of dialogue is childish if not foolish and ignorant. When I think of our war with Iraq and our refusal to communicate with Iran I think of a person hating and refusing to talk with someone even though they moved into a room in the back of the house while making rude gestures in the hallway. The concept of getting what you want, of achieving your goals, when others are involved, without open dialogue is inane and an impossible quest. We can never work together without open dialogue and we can never pursue communications without hope for change.

The message is plain but to long forgotten. Hope, change, dialogue. Do not vote for the lesser of all evils. Vote for the message. Vote for the inspiration. Vote for the chance to change. Vote for dialogue in a world based on communications. And vote for hope.
Author:  backtrack [ Wed Jun 04, 2008 7:24 am ]
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I didn't realise that Obama was a big supporter of Israel.
That changes my opinion of him.
He has just been introduced as "a true friend of Israel" that just scares me. That makes me think peace is alot further off than I hoped :(
Author:  Roger [ Wed Jun 04, 2008 7:39 am ]
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backtrack wrote:
I didn't realise that Obama was a big supporter of Israel.
That changes my opinion of him.
He has just been introduced as "a true friend of Israel" that just scares me. That makes me think peace is alot further off than I hoped :(

Oh, come on, don't backtrack... ;p
Author:  liquidsky [ Wed Jun 04, 2008 7:42 am ]
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McCain: feeble, wooden, four more years

Clinton: defiant, congratulating Obama's campaign but not his victory

Obama: "Now is our time"
Author:  Roger [ Wed Jun 04, 2008 8:02 am ]
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SaintOfSpinners wrote:
Do not vote for the lesser of all evils. Vote for the message.
Good advice. I'm pretty sure I'm going to be casting another vote for a third party this time around, to send the message to the other parties, "You stink, and I don't like you."
Author:  hillsy11 [ Wed Jun 04, 2008 11:17 am ]
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I've been so numbed by recent politicians, it's refreshing to have one that's such an orator.
Author:  dr_tongues_toys [ Thu Jun 05, 2008 8:46 am ]
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Roger wrote:
I don't know what to make of it. Is he going to lead the North to victory in another civil war or be the first president in 150 years to wear a top hat?


Wow I'm late to the party - Roger let me explain it to you:

Lincoln - Jr. Senator from Illinois with little political experience when elected
Obama - Jr. Senator from Illinois with little political experience - hopefully to be elected

So endith the history lesson for the day
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