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| Author: | ribbon controller [ Tue Oct 13, 2009 4:39 pm ] |
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preview video http://hypebeast.com/2009/10/damien-hir ... iew-video/ |
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| Author: | uberboy [ Tue Oct 13, 2009 5:31 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Damien Hirst new work the blue paintings |
if the paintings didn't have the hirst name on it, meh. even with his "divine" stamp, meh. also, this little mini-coverage seems to think hirst has never worked with paint and canvas before. he has had quite a few shows with canvas work. |
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| Author: | ribbon controller [ Tue Oct 13, 2009 5:57 pm ] |
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yeah I wasnt too impressed ..he should stick to slicing up animals...or better yet move to human beings |
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| Author: | plastichunter [ Tue Oct 13, 2009 6:10 pm ] |
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Yeah I was curious about the never worked with paint before statement also. There's the butterfly paintings, spin paintings. dot paintings, insect and butterfly wing paintings, and the huge photo-realist medical paintings. Maybe the narrator was saying these where his first paintings that he (the narrator) was willing to call paintings. |
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| Author: | Krudler [ Tue Oct 13, 2009 8:50 pm ] |
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plastichunter wrote: Yeah I was curious about the never worked with paint before statement also. There's the butterfly paintings, spin paintings. dot paintings, insect and butterfly wing paintings, and the huge photo-realist medical paintings. Maybe the narrator was saying these where his first paintings that he (the narrator) was willing to call paintings. Damian Hirst had assistants do his paintings. "Valium" for instance was painted by one of the ladies who did all his dot paintings for him. The pill cabinets were done by assistants as well. He openly admits that he basically didn't touch those pieces at all or added very slightly. This work was ill advised. He comes across as a creation of Charles Saatchi (who funded Hirst's shark "masterpiece") and Saatchi's power as a collector. Dan Colen's work is breathtakingly derivative shit but he's an "important fine artist" because Saatchi says so. This work exposes Hirst as a brilliant huckster. Fine art is ultimately a fraud and this is a prime example. The guy comes across as a lightweight with these canvases and no amount of blue silk will fix that. No wonder Saatchi dumped his Hirst collection (Hirst bought the pieces back). |
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| Author: | Collin Shots [ Tue Oct 13, 2009 9:17 pm ] |
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Everyone knows all that counts now a days is intent. He intended to sell the most expensive piece of art ever, and he probably intended to do all that other stuff himself. Somebody should give him an award in my opinion. |
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| Author: | Krudler [ Tue Oct 13, 2009 9:18 pm ] |
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Jeff Koons beat him a week later on the most expensive piece thing. Might be a new record breaking sale recently but doubt this collection plus Saatchi's fire sale will help prices. Had Hirst stuck to designing then having assistants do the work he wouldn't look like a fool. Francis Bacon kind of passed him the torch on the strength of Hirst's design and the skill of Hirst's assistants in executing it. This sucks for several reasons. Its not even remotely unusual to use assistants at this level, its the norm. This was just an awful move, he should have scrapped the project or hired those women back to repaint these with technique. I would have defended his work prior to this. |
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| Author: | uberboy [ Tue Oct 13, 2009 10:27 pm ] |
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this piece will always be brilliant and for me the best single work he has ever done:
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| Author: | Alice [ Wed Oct 14, 2009 2:42 am ] |
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I like Damien Hirst. He came along at a time when Art was more about ideas than technique (viz. almost the entire 'Sensations' show), and no-one's ever done that better than him IMO. Add to that his ability to shock ... The first thing I thought when I saw these pictures was "Francis Bacon". It's so obvious that it's more than an influence, it's practically an imitation. And imitation is the sincerest form of flattery, so they say. In fact, I'd go further, & say that you can actually see the spirit of Francis Bacon in these works, almost as if Damien was wearing it as a kind of mantle. That, plus the classical setting makes me wonder if his intent wasn't to draw attention to a still very much underrated artist. (Only one of Bacon's paintings is really well-known.) What better way to pay homage? Whatever, it's still better than half the childrens-book-illustration-level garbage that seems to pass for 'art' elsewhere these days. The very fact that you wouldn't want these hanging on your wall tells me that Damien is still doing his job ... which is to make you think. |
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| Author: | backtrack [ Wed Oct 14, 2009 6:20 am ] |
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http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/art/features/are-hirsts-paintings-any-good-no-theyre-not-worth-looking-at-1802080.html and for those to lazy to click, I present a wall of text... taaa daaaa! Quote: 'Are Hirst's paintings any good? No, they're not worth looking at' If it were not for his prodigious fame, would Damien Hirst's canvases be exhibited at London's hallowed Wallace Collection? Of course not, says Tom Lubbock. The man simply can't paint Wednesday, 14 October 2009 A few quick questions. 1. Are these new paintings, painted by Damien Hirst himself, any good? No, not at all, they are not worth looking at. 2. So why are you writing about them at such length? Because he is very famous. 3. And why has the Wallace Collection decided to exhibit them? Because he is very famous. 4. And why did Damien Hirst even paint them in the first place? Because he is very famous. Now let me put this at more length. Damien Hirst has painted some paintings, entirely by hand. So far he has made his name with other kinds of art: with assemblages, mainly involving dead animals and pills, and paintings, painted by other people. There have been the spot paintings, the spin paintings, paintings copied from photographs, all done by assistants. But now he has risked his fame, with some paintings done by his own hand. Anyone interested in Hirst's art to date, anyone simply interested in Hirst as a very famous artist, will probably take an interest in this radical turn in his work. What will they look like? There's another thing. Even now we've learnt to accept that skills needn't matter, still that old question seems to linger over any artist, whatever methods they employ: can they actually paint? And if that wasn't enough, there's an extra attraction in where these paintings are being shown., The Wallace Collection is a distinguished, old-fashioned venue, and chosen precisely as a traditionalist setting, to stress the way these new paintings have a place in the great tradition. As the artist has said himself, he feels they are "deeply connected to the past." For the public, it's intriguing. If you were expecting some outrage from the master of Brit Art shock, expect again. Here they are, then, looking like history. In a long chamber, just off the Wallace's main gallery of masterpieces, they hang on walls of sumptuous silk, and held in heavy old-master frames. There are 25 pictures, including two triptychs. Their collective title is No Love Lost, Blue Paintings. And they don't look back that far. As you'd expect, they are most reminiscent of paintings by Hirst's hero, Francis Bacon. You see it at once. They take their effects, not from Bacon's virtuoso exploding flesh images, but from the dourer Bacons of the 1950s. There's little colour. Blue-ish whites glimmer out of blue-ish darkness. As in Bacon, but more so, the figures are contained within frameworks of straight white lines. The figurative matter consists (mainly) of Hirsty things – skulls, skeleton, a shark's open maw, ashtrays, cigarette packets, flayed bodies, also lizards, thickets of wood. There are grid patterns of white dots. Like Bacons, they're pretty big. Their themes come in repetitive sequences. There's a series of very similar paintings of flayed bodies seen in a thicket, another series of skulls and ashstrays. The subjects may sound harsh, but the painting of them is neither violent nor graceful, simply unassertive and unconfident, caution suggesting uncertainty. There's not a dash of virtuosity. There's an attempt at blurry, glowy etherealness. There's one picture of a vase of flowers with butterflies flying out of it in all directions, and some of the butterflies are quite neatly painted. But come now. This is ridiculous. To talk in this considered way is to pretend that the paintings can be taken seriously. So let's be clear. Many kinds of paintings get reviewed on these pages, and some of them (in my judicious way) I say are good, and some bad. But in a way they're all quite good, or they wouldn't be getting reviewed here in the first place. These Hirst paintings are way outside that range. They're thoroughly derivative. Their handling is weak. They're extremely boring. I'm not saying that he's absolutely hopeless. But I'm not saying he's any good either. There are many degrees of painting. There are many painters in evening classes much worse than Hirst. On the other hand, you'd find quite a few who were better, too. To try to be accurate: Hirst, as a painter, is at about the level of a not-very-promising, first-year art student. He is in his mid-forties. There are dozens of youngsters who turn up at our art schools each year, doing this turgid teen-angst stuff. And many of them are deluded enough, in their innocence, to think that their work is "deeply connected to the past." Their teachers have to scold and embarrass them out of these bad habits. These kids may come to something. At that point you can't really be sure. But you can be sure that the Wallace Collection, in its kindness, wouldn't offer them a gallery to display their work. And I too, in my kindness, wouldn't write about this present show, if it wasn't for the level of public interest. As for what Damien Hirst thinks he's doing, it's not my business, but anyone may wonder. Yearning to be among the masters, and blinded by self-belief? Maybe. And I could imagine another famous artist, who had made their name in assemblage, and who decided to try their hand at painting – but when it turned out like this, realised it simply wouldn't do, and sighed, and put it away, their fame not having warped their judgement. And I could imagine another famous artist who did a similar thing, but who wasn't quite sure, and realised that their fame was likely distort both their judgement and the public's. So they submitted one of their new paintings, under a pseudonym, to the biennial John Moores Painting Prize competition, to see what would happen. Hirst could have done the same. Well, the artist can make a fool of himself, and it doesn't matter. I'm sure the pictures will sell for a packet anyway, and if the critics are rude – I jolly well hope they are – the buyers need only be reminded of Van Gogh, rejected by all in his time, now seen as great. (Ignore the slight circularity of this argument.) No, it's our poor little art world that I feel sorry for. We just look so bloody stupid. I mean, here is the director of the Wallace Collection – no names, no pack-drill – and what she says is: Hirst's paintings are "very classical in nature" and "his ethereal other-worldly treatment of the memento mori subject evokes centuries of great art... a comparison can be made to the Wallace Collection's great Poussin, A Dance to the Music of Time." Actually, the Wallace thinks so highly of its great Poussin that currently it exhibits it with a statuette plonked directly in front of it, so you can't see it properly. Never mind. You can see those Hirst paintings clearly enough, and then imagine what could have moved the mind of this director. Was she dazzled by stardom? Can she really not see anything? We're all blinded, I suppose, somehow. So many things obscure a pure attention to good art. The spectacle of blazing fame and self-delusion, the joy of people talking utter rubbish, and writing rude reviews: the freak show goes on. At least today I have detained you long enough. No Love Lost, Blue Paintings, Wallace Collection, London W1 (020-7563 9500) to 24 January |
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| Author: | Alice [ Wed Oct 14, 2009 7:05 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Damien Hirst new work the blue paintings |
^ Of course, if you can't think for yourself, you can always just quote what the hacks say. Sorry, backtrack - nothing personal, but critics are whores. I'm sure you'd agree with me on that. |
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| Author: | audiodifficulties [ Wed Oct 14, 2009 7:13 am ] |
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Some of the coolest and most pointless (and questionably not "art") I've seen were at the saatchi gallery. |
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| Author: | Alice [ Wed Oct 14, 2009 7:37 am ] |
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^ Agreed 100% |
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| Author: | backtrack [ Wed Oct 14, 2009 7:48 am ] |
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Alice wrote: ^ Of course, if you can't think for yourself, you can always just quote what the hacks say. Sorry, backtrack - nothing personal, but critics are whores. I'm sure you'd agree with me on that. No no fair enough, to be honest, I just stumbled across it and thought as it related I'd drop it here. My understanding is that Hirst knew and assumed that people would drop a ton of shit on him for this, and the Guardian ripped him apart yesterday as well. Overall I'm not particularly fussed with much of the YBA spectacles, I suppose they need to be there and they need to be done, but I can't say it does much for me on anything other than a visual level. I like my art dark and bleak, and I don't see Hirsts paintings as anything. I'm quite excited about the new piece in the Turbine Room at the Tate, let the crowds die done and I'll check that. I'm not sure if all critics are whores. But there are certainly enough out there who are. I also think that artists need critics... but then I would wouldn't I? |
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| Author: | dave zav [ Wed Oct 14, 2009 9:20 am ] |
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I viewed his stuff twice at the Sensation show when it was in Brooklyn and stumbled into one of his solo shows in Soho prior to that but never knew he used assistants to do so much of his work. I guess that alone changes my opinions about his abilities as an artist. These new paintings look sophomoric and uninspired and I probably wouldn't give them any attention without his name being associated. Still, as an artist myself, with no time to complete the hundreds of projects I've started throughout my life, I suppose I would like to have some assistants help me to complete or take over ideas and projects that will likely never be finished otherwise, provided I was making a living with my art and already too busy with new directions. |
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| Author: | Darky [ Wed Oct 14, 2009 9:25 am ] |
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I liked some of the paintings in the video from the OP. |
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| Author: | ribbon controller [ Wed Oct 14, 2009 9:35 am ] |
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Im just not impressed with these. I love a lot of his past stuff..these just dont do anythin for me |
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| Author: | m3kcomp [ Wed Oct 14, 2009 9:43 am ] |
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dave zav wrote: but never knew he used assistants to do so much of his work. you've got to kidding, right? the pencil drawings are his hand...that's about it, and they (usually) suck. I like what money can do with an artist's work, but I always prefer to see work made personally...I don't think work made by others makes it less impressive, just different. Maurizio Cattelan has said before that not only doesn't he make his work, he doesn't usually see it until a given exibition opens. |
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| Author: | Vombie [ Wed Oct 14, 2009 9:45 am ] |
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kinda snoozeville. just not my thing, I guess. |
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| Author: | dave zav [ Wed Oct 14, 2009 10:00 am ] |
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m3kcomp wrote: dave zav wrote: but never knew he used assistants to do so much of his work. you've got to kidding, right? the pencil drawings are his hand...that's about it, and they (usually) suck. Well I knew he wasn't dumping huge sharks into buckets of Jello all by himself I just didn't realize he was JUST signing his name to the spin art or the pill shadow box stuff. Spin art is just spin art. Kids make spin art at amusement parks. Anyone can do it. So if he didn't actually drop the paint himself, then why would someone buy it as a "Hirst"? |
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| Author: | Kevlo9 [ Wed Oct 14, 2009 11:01 am ] |
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The paintings are meh, but I do love some of his other work. I would love to have one of those sharks! |
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| Author: | Leecifer [ Wed Oct 14, 2009 11:21 am ] |
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Well he got the "blue" part right. |
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| Author: | uberboy [ Wed Oct 14, 2009 11:24 am ] |
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alice, i guess i'm backwards since I think of Francis Bacon as pretty famous. but i guess pop-culture fame and art-history fame are two different things. |
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| Author: | Dean [ Wed Oct 14, 2009 12:11 pm ] |
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I'm disappointed in my reaction to this work, as it's basically dismissive. I would have preferred to have found the center that they're coming from and feel all smugly pretentious in my learn'd understanding, but it ain't happening. Seriously I think I need to see better photos and give it more time, but at first consideration, what I'm seeing is "the peter principle" at work. Too much attention called to the fact that He! Actually! Painted! Them! Himself! Is the (generally impressive) quote of Bacon's spirit, as Alice rightly recognized, supposed to cover for the fact that he's not particularly skilled at conventional drawing/painting? As a big fan of contemporary art, I've long thought that one of the great things about contemporary arts is that you don't have to be technically skilled or classically trained ... I was very influenced by Brian Eno's countless rants on the topic in the 1970s and found his attitude regarding non-artists making art to be inspirational, intelligent, and forward-thinking. However if there isn't some significant content in the end result of an art work, what is it? "Bad" in a word, "mediocre" if you're really critical. Nevertheless, if an artist is going to fall back on conventional art skills using their own hands, they should be pretty darned good at it to get a show. What I'm seeing in these works is someone competently aping the look of late midcentury art and Bacon's dark themes without one tenth of Bacon's insight, originality, or technical expertise. More novel than sincere. More gallery-scene manipulation than true inspiration. I won't name names but I know of at least one San Francisco based artist who can't draw to save his life, but can commission other people to execute his ideas, throw a bunch of works like that together, call it "conceptual" and demurely refrain from explaining what it's all about to anyone, because naturally that would be gauche. To actually articulate. It drives me up the wall because there's no "there" there, but in the rarified "curatorial art" scene, it's good enough to maintain an art career. There's too much ironic postmodernism in the trappings of Hirst's show (it takes place in an institution known for classical art, the commissioned expensive classical wallpaper, doing a "blue period" theme |
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| Author: | donnierobot [ Thu Oct 15, 2009 1:25 am ] |
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backtrack wrote: [ I like my art dark and bleak, and I don't see Hirsts paintings as anything. I'm quite excited about the new piece in the Turbine Room at the Tate, let the crowds die done and I'll check that. I couldn't give two fucks for these paintings..... Josh do you know Herakut or Roa both are very good ? Herakut do these twisted takes on kids fairy tales featuring lots of young kids with no limbs, animals and heaps of sexual repression/energy - I own a huge piece by them and it is dark as fuck I said i wanted something based on Donnie Darko and I got a naked girl wearing a bunny mask stripping out of a latex suit - they told me hera (the more beautiful of the duo!) modelled for it give me those , over these any day. Hirst obviously wants to be a great painter aping Bacon but he hasn't got the skills. |
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