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Author:  kidclam [ Fri Nov 20, 2009 6:04 pm ]
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For those that can see this, lucky bastards.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/culture ... -moma.html
Author:  stevesleazee [ Fri Nov 20, 2009 6:45 pm ]
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Oh man this is great! i can tie it in with the kris kuksi exhibit! New York here I come!
Author:  lurker [ Sat Nov 21, 2009 6:36 am ]
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hmmm, i 'd venture to nyc for this.
Author:  kidclam [ Tue Nov 24, 2009 2:19 am ]
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mANsedYvsBs
Author:  UnderBeit [ Tue Nov 24, 2009 3:42 am ]
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Ah, this explains the email from the MOMA catalog with all the Tim Burton stuff in it. Unfortunately the items in the catalog are mostly based on stuff we've already seen, like the Tragic Toys for Girls and Boys figures and books, etc.. Still, I am sure I'll be buying the book accompanying the exhibit...just because...

As an aside, Tim's lookin' pretty haggard these days...Goddamn when did he get so old? It's not fun watching your idols age.
Author:  audiodifficulties [ Tue Nov 24, 2009 7:03 am ]
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Its not fun watching them make crap movies either.
Author:  BloodDrinker6969 [ Tue Nov 24, 2009 7:49 am ]
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audiodifficulties wrote:
Its not fun watching them make crap movies either.

"OK, soooooooo what can I make to sell more Hot Topic bullcrap? Let's see, let me add some black and white swirls, toss in some 'dark' set designs and hair like mine, blah blah blah gargabe CGI, Depp of course, CHACHING!"
Author:  liquidsky [ Tue Nov 24, 2009 8:01 am ]
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Burton got knocked in the NYT:

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Given the tremendous visual appeal of Mr. Burton’s movies, you would hope that “Tim Burton,” the Museum of Modern Art’s expansive retrospective of his noncinematic art, would be equally exciting. Alas, it is a letdown. Focused mainly on hundreds of drawings dating from his teenage years to the present and including paintings, sculptures, photographs and a smattering of short films on flat screens, it is an entertaining show and a must for film buffs and Burton fans. To see the raw material from which the movies evolved is certainly illuminating. But there is a sameness to all Mr. Burton’s two- and three-dimensional output that makes for a monotonous viewing experience.

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Author:  audiodifficulties [ Tue Nov 24, 2009 8:13 am ]
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There was also the whole "why is MOMA doing promo for burton and the studios next movie" vs "is this worthy of art museum" debate also.

Blooddrinker, I think you have a blockbuster movie idea on your hands. ;)
Author:  kidclam [ Tue Nov 24, 2009 8:33 am ]
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BloodDrinker6969 wrote:
audiodifficulties wrote:
Its not fun watching them make crap movies either.

"OK, soooooooo what can I make to sell more Hot Topic bullcrap? Let's see, let me add some black and white swirls, toss in some 'dark' set designs and hair like mine, blah blah blah gargabe CGI, Depp of course, CHACHING!"


I think Burton has made a handful of creative and original films considering what's coming from Hollywood. I respect his work because he has stayed true from paper to film. Also his remakes are quite refreshing.
Author:  audiodifficulties [ Tue Nov 24, 2009 8:36 am ]
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:roll:
kidclam wrote:
Also his remakes are quite refreshing.
Author:  pickleloaf [ Tue Nov 24, 2009 8:51 am ]
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:lol:
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Author:  kidclam [ Tue Nov 24, 2009 9:23 am ]
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Too many favs to list.
I haven't seen Planet of the apes (I heard its really bad) and his second Batman (Forever) was unbearable.

Nice TB images...

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Author:  UnderBeit [ Tue Nov 24, 2009 1:32 pm ]
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BloodDrinker6969 wrote:
audiodifficulties wrote:
Its not fun watching them make crap movies either.

"OK, soooooooo what can I make to sell more Hot Topic bullcrap? Let's see, let me add some black and white swirls, toss in some 'dark' set designs and hair like mine, blah blah blah gargabe CGI, Depp of course, CHACHING!"


I don't disagree with this assessment. The man made Pee Wee's Big Adventure, Ed Wood and Beetlejuice, though, so he'll always have a special place in my heart. That being said, wild horses couldn't drag me to see this latest cgi animation thing he's made. Maybe when it hits video, and that's a big maybe.
Author:  BloodDrinker6969 [ Tue Nov 24, 2009 2:17 pm ]
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kidclam wrote:
Too many favs to list.
I haven't seen Planet of the apes (I heard its really bad) and his second Batman (Forever) was unbearable.

His second Batman was Batman Returns and, IMO, was the best until the Nolan's hit and even match up to them in the sense of what they were (burtons - dark comics/miller-ish feel, nolan-what if it was real concept, works great!) "Forever" (the one with the riddler and two face and robin) was Joel Schumacker, damn that man.

Everything past POTA (Big Fish excluded) SUCKED! It was no longer a "style" of his as much as a "marketing gimmick." I was, and am of his pre-POTA work, a big fan. What he's done in recent years is gross. Blatant product placement for Hot Topic and uninspired repeats of things he's done already. Instead of continuing with a theme and style, he just regurgitates what sells. He's become a bad cover band of himself.
Author:  audiodifficulties [ Tue Nov 24, 2009 2:22 pm ]
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That is exactly what I thought of Sweeny Todd, it was as if someone said "And can we try to make it in the 'style' of that Burton fellow."

[quote="BloodDrinker6969] He's become a bad cover band of himself.[/quote]
Author:  lurker [ Tue Nov 24, 2009 3:42 pm ]
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mars attacks is unfuckwithable.
Author:  BloodDrinker6969 [ Tue Nov 24, 2009 3:51 pm ]
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Anyone ever see his concepts for Superman when he was going to do that (with nick cage as supe's no less?!?!)
A few quickies
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Author:  Dean [ Wed Nov 25, 2009 4:58 pm ]
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Dude can't paint worth a damn. His drawings fare better, but are highly derivative. Cool Timmy, you stared at Gerald Scarfe and Ralph Steadman illustrations while high on LSD as a teenager and decided "me too!"

Oh well, these populist shows bring in big bucks and big crowds for museums, that's always a good thing.

Sorry fanbois but I've seen wannabe lowbrow artists at the KR Board who are more skilled. Burton has a vision thing for production design, but off the top of my head, "Ed Wood" is the only film of his I can think of that really succeeds. Most are pretty to look at (although still overrated in that department if you ask me) and just really, really bad as movies. People usually cite Pee Wee's Big Adventure as one of the good ones, but come on ... it was a Paul Rubens vehicle more than a "Tim Burton film."

So there. Dean the mean has spoken.

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Author:  antknee [ Wed Nov 25, 2009 5:48 pm ]
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Dean wrote:
People usually cite Pee Wee's Big Adventure as one of the good ones, but come on ... it was a Paul Rubens vehicle more than a "Tim Burton film."


I don't know about that. Paul Reubens-Tim Burton=

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Author:  Dean [ Wed Nov 25, 2009 6:41 pm ]
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Now there's a rebuttal you can't argue with! :D
Author:  BloodDrinker6969 [ Thu Nov 26, 2009 6:47 am ]
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Dean wrote:
Sorry fanbois but I've seen wannabe lowbrow artists at the KR Board who are more skilled. Burton has a vision thing for production design, but off the top of my head, "Ed Wood" is the only film of his I can think of that really succeeds.

Really? I mean to each their own and all, but I think both Edward Scissorhands and Batman Returns do so in spades as well. What's interesting about Bats is it's an owned property and he was still able to spill his own style into it, which is pretty impressive DC/WB let him. But again, to each their own, I can't bash your opinion, only say it's wrong :wink:

Anyway, I like his sketch work it's always fun to look at but even that I think he's caught wind of his own hype and just smashes it all out now to put in dumb books and bad shirts at the mall.
Author:  Vombie [ Fri Nov 27, 2009 10:19 am ]
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lurker wrote:
mars attacks is unfuckwithable.
Author:  LamourSupreme [ Sun Nov 29, 2009 7:11 am ]
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I've heard the exhibit was just too damn crowded. It's pre- Xmas in NYC:(
Need to check this out during the weekday.
Author:  useless toys [ Sun Nov 29, 2009 8:46 am ]
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LamourSupreme wrote:
I've heard the exhibit was just too damn crowded. It's pre- Xmas in NYC:(
Need to check this out during the weekday.


I'll let you know, I'm headed there this afternoon, weekends are the only time I have...

If you can go, go on a weekday, place was mobbed, and buy your tickets in advance because it will sell out for the day.
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