jaysea420 wrote:
Wow, some of ya'all really need to take some Midol and chill. I was just posting an opinion, but since I was called out by a few I'll represent myself.
Also, this will be my last post in this "discussion" on guns and weapons, this is a toy show off thread and I'm not about to go back and forth about this forever. Everyone is entitled to their opinions. If you want to start a discussion about this make a thread, or pm me. Personally though I'd rather you didn't as I'm not a fan of eating the biscuit.
Mutonismyfriend, I noticed when you were asking your question you left out how a person can spray a crowd with a vehicle. Is that because it's happened time and time again? Both on accident and on purpose. It's not like anyone has ever used an airplane as a weapon either, right?
As for mass murdering with knives I guess you didn't hear about Wu Huanming, or Zheng Minsheng, or Ramon Salcido, or many others.
There are no winners or losers in this. It is what it is. I was merely stating an opinion. You can hate guns all you want. If you don't like them then don't buy one. It's your choice. It's your freedom. It doesn't make you a wuss or a macho man, and though you've been on here much longer than I we can agree on at least one thing - Let's get back to the toys
---NT---, You tell me the purpose of a knife in your world. Because from my understanding they've had a pretty long history and much of it has involved KILLING. From Cavemen until today knives have been used for multitude of reasons, mostly though for killing. I wonder what Julius Caesar would think about those harmless little knives? Machetes are pretty handy for carving trails in the jungle, but I wonder how many Rwandans would view them?
Baseball bats are basically a club, AGAIN long history. Again have been used for killing many, many people. As well as the rest of your simplistic views for uses of objects. Guns are a tool. That's all they are. They can be used for good, or they can be used for evil. It's how people teach people to use them. I could give you plenty of examples of all the things I've named being used in murder after murder, but having talked to many people in the past with the view point you just expressed I know I won't be able to change your mind. And personally, I don't care to.
It's amazing though how people only started killing other people when guns were invented, right?
kichigai, and that was a magnificent 666th post my friend! I think I'll even copy it to word and print it out to hang on my mirror so every morning I can look at it and be in awe of your verbal prowess! I think your inspiring words should be my prize. Sound good?
I could care less when and where you think I can "swim", or your thoughts on my genetics, my ignorance, my relevance, or whatever. For not trying to pick on a fellow board member personally you sure have a grab bag of personal insults to spew. As I stated I was merely writing an opinion. Sorry I didn't bring you cards and candy, but I'm not the type put out on the first date. Next time though, I'll make sure to tell you how pretty you look.
I have a lot of respect for your father for fighting for the freedoms I'm expressing here. Freedoms that we all enjoy in the United States. I'm genuinely sorry to hear of his struggles, but let's not bring war into this because war is a totally different concept then what I'm talking about. My empathy for him though does not detract from the fact that it's not guns that kill people, it's people that kill people. Put a gun on a table in a roomful of people and let me know when it sprouts arms and legs and kills someone. I bet ya though you put some crazy, angry person in a roomful of people and s/he will act first using their hands, or whatever they can get their hands on.
Also, if you were directing me to go out to a major metropolitan police station, E.R., or wherever I don't have to go far, nor to a "major metropolitan area". I live in a semi-rural area where people are victimized all the time. All the time I hear of people being stabbed, robbed, raped, burnt, run over, strangled, shot, killed, etc. The mafia used to be heavy in this area so add car bombs to that equation as well. Hell, the college I go to just had a major shooting incident the other day where many people were shot at a Frat party. So trust me when I say I know guns are not the problem in our society. A couple years ago my friend committed suicide (overdose btw, not a gun) because he was going to be going to jail for running someone over and using his car as a weapon. So I think I have enough experience in this debate to hold my own. I know how fucked up people can be, more so, how people are.
Lastly, I come on this board to look at toys, but there's a bunch of shit that I see come up that isn't toys. Who cares if someone posts a gun? As I originally said, I think it should have gone in the other thread, but that's no reason to get all pissy. For a 'grown ass man' you're acting like a little girl about this. I didn't call anyone out in my OG post. I just mentioned how comical it is to see the gun debate. I'd appreciate the same showing.
I'm done with this now. Good Day!
Also, this will be my last post in this "discussion" on guns and weapons, this is a toy show off thread and I'm not about to go back and forth about this forever. Everyone is entitled to their opinions. If you want to start a discussion about this make a thread, or pm me. Personally though I'd rather you didn't as I'm not a fan of eating the biscuit.
Mutonismyfriend, I noticed when you were asking your question you left out how a person can spray a crowd with a vehicle. Is that because it's happened time and time again? Both on accident and on purpose. It's not like anyone has ever used an airplane as a weapon either, right?
As for mass murdering with knives I guess you didn't hear about Wu Huanming, or Zheng Minsheng, or Ramon Salcido, or many others.
There are no winners or losers in this. It is what it is. I was merely stating an opinion. You can hate guns all you want. If you don't like them then don't buy one. It's your choice. It's your freedom. It doesn't make you a wuss or a macho man, and though you've been on here much longer than I we can agree on at least one thing - Let's get back to the toys
---NT---, You tell me the purpose of a knife in your world. Because from my understanding they've had a pretty long history and much of it has involved KILLING. From Cavemen until today knives have been used for multitude of reasons, mostly though for killing. I wonder what Julius Caesar would think about those harmless little knives? Machetes are pretty handy for carving trails in the jungle, but I wonder how many Rwandans would view them?
Baseball bats are basically a club, AGAIN long history. Again have been used for killing many, many people. As well as the rest of your simplistic views for uses of objects. Guns are a tool. That's all they are. They can be used for good, or they can be used for evil. It's how people teach people to use them. I could give you plenty of examples of all the things I've named being used in murder after murder, but having talked to many people in the past with the view point you just expressed I know I won't be able to change your mind. And personally, I don't care to.
It's amazing though how people only started killing other people when guns were invented, right?
kichigai, and that was a magnificent 666th post my friend! I think I'll even copy it to word and print it out to hang on my mirror so every morning I can look at it and be in awe of your verbal prowess! I think your inspiring words should be my prize. Sound good?
I could care less when and where you think I can "swim", or your thoughts on my genetics, my ignorance, my relevance, or whatever. For not trying to pick on a fellow board member personally you sure have a grab bag of personal insults to spew. As I stated I was merely writing an opinion. Sorry I didn't bring you cards and candy, but I'm not the type put out on the first date. Next time though, I'll make sure to tell you how pretty you look.
I have a lot of respect for your father for fighting for the freedoms I'm expressing here. Freedoms that we all enjoy in the United States. I'm genuinely sorry to hear of his struggles, but let's not bring war into this because war is a totally different concept then what I'm talking about. My empathy for him though does not detract from the fact that it's not guns that kill people, it's people that kill people. Put a gun on a table in a roomful of people and let me know when it sprouts arms and legs and kills someone. I bet ya though you put some crazy, angry person in a roomful of people and s/he will act first using their hands, or whatever they can get their hands on.
Also, if you were directing me to go out to a major metropolitan police station, E.R., or wherever I don't have to go far, nor to a "major metropolitan area". I live in a semi-rural area where people are victimized all the time. All the time I hear of people being stabbed, robbed, raped, burnt, run over, strangled, shot, killed, etc. The mafia used to be heavy in this area so add car bombs to that equation as well. Hell, the college I go to just had a major shooting incident the other day where many people were shot at a Frat party. So trust me when I say I know guns are not the problem in our society. A couple years ago my friend committed suicide (overdose btw, not a gun) because he was going to be going to jail for running someone over and using his car as a weapon. So I think I have enough experience in this debate to hold my own. I know how fucked up people can be, more so, how people are.
Lastly, I come on this board to look at toys, but there's a bunch of shit that I see come up that isn't toys. Who cares if someone posts a gun? As I originally said, I think it should have gone in the other thread, but that's no reason to get all pissy. For a 'grown ass man' you're acting like a little girl about this. I didn't call anyone out in my OG post. I just mentioned how comical it is to see the gun debate. I'd appreciate the same showing.
I'm done with this now. Good Day!
To get this out of the toy show off...
Once again - your argument is full of shit. Anything can be used to kill, but knives, bats, cars, planes, etc all have primary functions OTHER than killing. The first knife ever made was not made to kill a person. And I HIGHLY doubt that the most common use for a knife (currently or historically) has been to kill - I think it's mostly used for food prep.
And yes, you're correct - a gun is a tool...FOR KILLING. What other use does a gun have? Unless you're Homer Simpson and use your gun to open beer bottles and turn out lights a gun has one purpose and that's to kill. Handguns and automatic weapons are specifically meant to be used against people! I can see an argument for hunting rifles and shotguns, but you don't hunt deer/duck with a .357 or an AK.
I'm not even getting into whether it's good/bad to own guns, just that the arguments for accepting them just like any other "tool" don't hold water. A handgun/automatic is meant to be used against people - that's not something to take lightly.
Also, I'm sure there's no relation to murder rate and gun ownership...
What a got Carl - per capita murder in the UK must be equal to that of the US because if someone is gonna kill someone they're going to do it whether they have a gun or not, right?
damn T why you gotta make me blow coffee through my nose posting pics like that!
