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| Author: | alifeintoys [ Thu Sep 04, 2014 9:24 am ] |
| Post subject: | The Magi Maleficarum by Martin Ontiveros |
  desigend by martin ontiveros. sculpted by David Arshawsky, never heard of dude before, but obviously he has skillz. good to see some super cool timeless unique new toys not following any trends. more info here: http://toysrevil.blogspot.de/2014/09/in ... artin.html |
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| Author: | zombiekittens [ Thu Sep 04, 2014 9:40 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The Magi Maleficarum by Martin Ontiveros |
Those are super slick. Love the teeth on those wizards. |
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| Author: | side.g [ Thu Sep 04, 2014 9:52 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The Magi Maleficarum by Martin Ontiveros |
4-4 1/2 inch, they look really awesome |
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| Author: | Brooklyn_Vinyl [ Thu Sep 04, 2014 10:27 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The Magi Maleficarum by Martin Ontiveros |
I'm excited for these. I'm sure any paint application will be amazing. |
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| Author: | psilo110 [ Thu Sep 04, 2014 10:30 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The Magi Maleficarum by Martin Ontiveros |
I put on my robe & wizard hat! |
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| Author: | JoeMan [ Thu Sep 04, 2014 10:33 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The Magi Maleficarum by Martin Ontiveros |
Good to see Martin back with new toys. |
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| Author: | blakewest [ Thu Sep 04, 2014 11:18 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The Magi Maleficarum by Martin Ontiveros |
One thing I dig about these new sculpts is that they seem to reflect Martin's current style. I think his work has always been identifiable as "Martin", but it's changed over the years from Booska/Robots, to the Ojo Rojo days, to the b&w/wizard/gig poster stuff he's been doing lately. |
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| Author: | petitetoilonrouge [ Thu Sep 04, 2014 12:19 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The Magi Maleficarum by Martin Ontiveros |
I'm conflicted. I love the design overall, but Asian buck teeth? Hmm. |
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| Author: | Rich [ Thu Sep 04, 2014 12:30 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The Magi Maleficarum by Martin Ontiveros |
petitetoilonrouge wrote: I'm conflicted. I love the design overall, but Asian buck teeth? Hmm. Do you really think Martin is going for " Asian buck teeth" seriously ? Cmon this is insane to even think. I love these guys, I wish they were only in vinyl. Soon enough I suppose 
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| Author: | petitetoilonrouge [ Thu Sep 04, 2014 12:37 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The Magi Maleficarum by Martin Ontiveros |
Rich wrote: Do you really think Martin is going for " Asian buck teeth" seriously ? Cmon this is insane to even think. I don't know him but indeed doubt that's the intended effect. It's hard to miss, though. Should maybe show them to people from outside our little realm and see what they think. |
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| Author: | BrickBat [ Thu Sep 04, 2014 1:09 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The Magi Maleficarum by Martin Ontiveros |
I think its just the way he paints teeth on certain characters and this is the 3D translation. I didn't make that connection at all, but I'm familiar with his work. Great characterization and sculpting. It'll be interesting to see how these get painted. Looks like maybe it could lead to busy paint jobs. |
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| Author: | Brooklyn_Vinyl [ Thu Sep 04, 2014 1:27 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The Magi Maleficarum by Martin Ontiveros |
BrickBat wrote: I think its just the way he paints teeth on certain characters and this is the 3D translation. Definitely, if you look at his 2D and 3D work this is his signature style teeth. |
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| Author: | zombiekittens [ Thu Sep 04, 2014 1:35 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The Magi Maleficarum by Martin Ontiveros |
I just thought they were monster teeth. |
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| Author: | blakewest [ Thu Sep 04, 2014 2:11 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The Magi Maleficarum by Martin Ontiveros |
I kinda see what Oli's saying with the little guy. I think that sculpt is off of the drawing second from the right in the top row here. It seems more of a goblin face than Asian to me, and Martin does protruding teeth all the time. Then again, a trivial google search yields that offensive creepy WW2 poster below. So I can see how someone could make the association with the stereotype.  Sweep the Leg ink drawing sale is GO! Head to martinheadrocks.bigcartel.com to get the skinny. Yes! I have a new online store, needs some customizing but it works for today. Feel free to share the link with EVERYONE. by Martinhead!, on Flickr 
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| Author: | supershallow [ Thu Sep 04, 2014 2:40 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The Magi Maleficarum by Martin Ontiveros |
hahaha. I think it's just a matter of perspective. I dig these guys for sure. |
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| Author: | ungawa222 [ Thu Sep 04, 2014 6:41 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The Magi Maleficarum by Martin Ontiveros |
LOVE these... the middle guy is The Great Beast, all the way! |
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| Author: | Dj Will Ross [ Thu Sep 04, 2014 7:18 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The Magi Maleficarum by Martin Ontiveros |
Awesome work. Totally unique and fun. |
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| Author: | petitetoilonrouge [ Fri Sep 05, 2014 6:39 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The Magi Maleficarum by Martin Ontiveros |
Thanks for the pic Blake! It does look a lot less like the stereotype as an illustration. I just thought the slanted eyes, protuding teeth, samurai-like helmet and armor/robes... I don't know. Sorry if I'm too touchy with this, but my son has already been racially teased at school, and he's five, so you know. |
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| Author: | sumatra71 [ Fri Sep 05, 2014 12:38 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The Magi Maleficarum by Martin Ontiveros |
these guys look creepy cool as a muthrfuckr... bravo Mr. Martin |
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| Author: | plastichunter [ Fri Sep 05, 2014 5:10 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The Magi Maleficarum by Martin Ontiveros |
You like these. Wait till you see whats in the wings in standard size. 
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| Author: | joshuajh [ Mon Sep 08, 2014 9:40 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The Magi Maleficarum by Martin Ontiveros |
my first thought, being that we are on a monster toy message board, was fangs, as opposed to a racial insult that would be totally out of MO's character.. cool figures, looking forward to seeing more. |
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| Author: | Martinhead [ Mon Sep 08, 2014 10:18 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The Magi Maleficarum by Martin Ontiveros |
petitetoilonrouge wrote: Thanks for the pic Blake! It does look a lot less like the stereotype as an illustration. I just thought the slanted eyes, protuding teeth, samurai-like helmet and armor/robes... I don't know. Sorry if I'm too touchy with this, but my son has already been racially teased at school, and he's five, so you know. Sorry it took a few days to weigh in here, haven't been on this board in years and needed to create a new account-- I can assure you without any reasonable doubt, like way, way, WAY beyond any reasonable doubt that there are no stereotypes of any kind at play here. Not my thing at all, racism has as much appeal to me as fingernails on a chalkboard. I'm sorry your boy had to go through that, it can't be easy to have to explain to him why some people are so stupid and shitty out there. But rest assured, I'm not out to step on anyone's toes. I make art for everyone--except mean people, because they suck. Hope this brings some comfort-- MO |
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| Author: | petitetoilonrouge [ Mon Sep 08, 2014 10:50 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The Magi Maleficarum by Martin Ontiveros |
Thanks for taking the time to reply, Martin! I never doubted your intentions, in case it wasn't clear. But as I said in my second post (and relating to Josh's comment), the question is not so much with intention but with perception. While people into this scene might see nothing wrong with it at all, being familiar with your style, the same might not be said in the real world. My intention was not to simply stir shit, just to express a possible cause of concern. If by some fluke I am alone, all's good! |
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| Author: | Martinhead [ Mon Sep 08, 2014 11:37 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The Magi Maleficarum by Martin Ontiveros |
It honestly wasn't something I even considered until you pointed it out--but a "similarity" is where it ends. Again, nothing malicious going on. Whether the general public sees it another way, I guess that remains to be seen. It's too late to change the sculpt... I took no offense to your posts (or my personal character), and didn't intend mine to be defensive--I only wanted to clarify any misconceptions is all. I just want everyone to be happy. It's all good MO |
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| Author: | Soldatoj57 [ Wed Oct 15, 2014 8:35 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The Magi Maleficarum by Martin Ontiveros |
Just awesome work !! Can't wait to see painted by Martin! |
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