Discussion in 'Whatever' started by badteethcomics, Nov 1, 2019.
NO WE NEED MORE!!!
@patrickvaz @IronPaw I was genuinely curious what was meant by the term, but these were admittedly spectacular responses. A tip of the hat, gentleman.
I think a lot of this really depends on the extent to which the economy holds up for the various regions in which collectors live. This ecosystem is more fragile than we probably like to believe.
In mid-2008, prices were spiking and we were seeing our first $1,000+ price for a single figure. I recall similar talk then. With the economic downturn at the end of the year, we were seeing collections sold off at far below retail for the next few years.
The factors that have changed this time around seem to be:
- A good portion of the collector base is now in China and other regions of Asia, which may help the toy producers diversify their sales.
- Toy producers have become more savvy about producing less, limiting releases and increasing quality/prices. Lessons have been learned from the deluge of releases in 2007-08 that caused collector burnout and unsold inventory.
We'll have to see if these changes will alter the outcome when people find themselves with diminishing disposable income. I don't think we'll ever see HxS in the bargain bin at Mandarake (although who knows), but there probably will be a time in the next decade when you can buy it for original retail. My guess anyhow.
Don't mean to misrepresent Neal here, but I read it as the prejudice against non-Japanese East Asian makers and fans. There's a growing number of makers who seem interested in producing fun toys before making a buck, and plenty of fans in China, Thailand, Singapore, Korea and more with similar means and anxieties to us lot.
I couldn’t have said this better myself.
I wasn’t trying to come of as divisive as I probably did. I think the more we communicate and build globally the better the scene is.
Information wise only. Back in 06-07...people posted about releases, there was kaiju taro and people told others about what they were bidding on on yja and in turn people backed off. Super7 played a major role in being the middle man and skullbrain played a major role in being the middle man to this board. In 2019, you no longer really need to be a board member to obtain knowledge about new releases. You just need to follow creators on instagram, go to shows and focus on yja. SB is a good research tool for past releases but in terms of seeking out new toys...not so much.
@zindabad @3wing Wonderful explanation and reiteration from you both, thank you! Between my BxH, Headlock, Medicom, street figures, and even recents like Draculazer, and my healthy heap of Japanese vinyl, I certainly do believe there is a space for all artists and makers. However, I do believe there should be a certain degree of respect and genuine thought behind what’s being produced, rather than the mindset of “I can make *whatever*, so I should”. In that vein, though, I’m not one for gatekeeping, but rather continuing civil discussion via opinions and train of thought.
Instagram keeps me updated on new stuff to buy, sure, but my deeper appreciation has come from (very slowly) understanding influences and history in the hobby, the actual culture and personal politics that inform our aesthetics. For the kind of info and attachment that takes you beyond just being a consumer, I think the boards are still #1.
I've also met many of the most decent collectors I know out here, and their kindness and integrity has encouraged me to respond with the same. I'm sure it's very different for guys who have been around longer and have a solid network of friends and contacts, but as a Fresh Meat with future noobs in mind, I hope Skullbrian sticks around.
Can somebody please just put a picture of coco saying “In the year 2000.....” cause that’s all I say when I read the title. In his voice
In the future two headed monsters will be obsolete. We will see FOUR headed monsters.
In the future dicks will be boring. We will see vagina hands and asshole knees.
In the future terrible rainbow paint apps will be remembered fondly.
And a new Strawberry shortcake will be the next hyped up toy.
Yesterday I noticed Skinner made a post about the shortcomings of the new instagram reach. I've noticed a major shortage of instagram growth and reach really within the past few years as well. I think a big part of this recent boom was the exposure from the instagram platform and I think now that it's become a pay to play model and sofubi isn't going to break outside the set algorithm, we are going to see a major slowdown of new collectors. Not that it really matters, I'd rather have 100 loyal customers who buy stuff as opposed to 50,000 random people just watching for the oddity. Maybe a new platform will arise that will cause another boom, but it's hard to imagine.
I'D BUY THAT FOR... uhh... 10 000 dollars..??
I HEART ASSHOLE KNEES! _/*\
I'm not eligible to purchase this toy as I won't turn 33 until June.
Thread seems all over the place, so i'm going t be all over the place with my thoughts.
* Unbox' particle vinyl is amazing. I hope to see more of it. I think it was very innovative when it showed up at Dcon in the boss charged. (who has a blue one they are letting go? hehe)
* Double pours are still amazing, whether it be just a solid following the initial pour, or a marble following, these still can be very rewarding given the proper colors are picked, and the pourer has a good method of marbling. (i still do not like TAG's stringy marble)
- I wish some makers would explore this more, but I also understand some of these practices just might not be in their vision. but hey, one can hope.
* I feel some makers cover the pricing spectrum throughout their line of toys they offer. Something for most budgets.
* Pricing... Some makers have charged a arm and a leg out the gate.
* I think toys like Hirotas Brutal A with the guts justifies a high price tag. the craftsmanship in that piece can really be seen.
* Gargamels 1 offs might seem a bargain at this day in age. but they were kind of pricey for the time in 07' but they still sold because of the following.
* Does inflation come into play at all, even a little bit? I'd assume factories bump their prices ever so often. I was having a discussion with a friend of my Dad.s asking him when he started driving about how much was gas. I think he said around .35 cents a gallon. I said, well when i started driving gas was $1.50 mind you the man is about 30 years older than me. $1 doesn't seem much over 15 years or so, fast forward from 01, when i started driving now. in 18 years, its shot up to $4.07 (this is all based on california numbers, as I know some of you are lucky to pay $2.20 a gallon still.
yes gas is totally different than plastic. Just using it as a example that inflation does happen (unless you're arizona tea) lol.
* Prices can go up and down. I don't necessarily feel that if i paid $100 for something, and then 3-4 releases later another new rendition is sold for $50, that i'd be mad. i'd probably just try and pick that up to. a few times i have heard the argument that the maker has a obligation to keep the value of the customers purchase sustainable. I kind of disagree. It seems that's more of a certain mindset in some sofubi collectors. I can only imagine us trying to demand auto makers to carry the burden of ensuring vehicles we purchase value to not diminish. It's laughable to say the least. I feel everytime we purchase a toy, we are making the choice to do so freely, There is no guarantee the item you paid $150 for today will be worth $0.00, $15.00, or $1,500.00 the next day. I think if someone is spending some serious coin on a purchase, with the intentions that this will be how they retire or make some serious profits for their bank account, that they need to seriously rethink this hobby.
I've seen the future . . . and it's as dumb AF!
You mean, like, membership cards?
Well to be fair cars are designed to de-value as soon as you buy 'em! And I think somehow people are confusing the issue... artists/toy-makers/hype-men setting their retail pricing and making their bed with it - is an entirely different conversation to collector's buying toys looking for sustained value/return on investment blah blah.
Here's an analogy... concert prices are subjective, and you're paying for an experience brought to you by the artist/music-maker/hype-men. Say you buy a ticket to Sunny Jim and the Sofubi Six for $300. They gonna be playing all of the hits, tracks from the upcoming album.. you're gonna love it. However they have booked out this giant arena after spending years building their audience and slowly raising ticket prices to go with their popularity. You see an ad somewhere saying "tickets slashed to $150" a few weeks out from the show because behind the scenes it turns out ticket sales are slow. You paid $300 for the exact same show a bunch of people are now paying $150 a ticket for... they are probably getting better seats (in the toy analogy they may be getting a better colourway than you did for the sculpt). You would be pissed at the band/toy-maker blah blah... are you following the bouncing ball here?
There is a lot of talk about utterly subjective stuff in this thread but what @akum6n and @JoeMan hit are the two most important points people are neglecting: economic downturn and changes in social media.
I won't go on a rant about our economic model holistically, but I will say that if you think this bull market will last another decade, you're out of your mind. Art is subjective, but income isn't, and I know if I was laid off tomorrow the first thing I'm gonna cut is sofubi purchasing which accounted for about 15k this year so far.
As for social media, we have what is effectively half of the candidates that could be the next President talking about breaking up technology companies like Facebook. To @JoeMan 's point, what happens when the platform that single-handedly accounted for the absolute explosion in sofubi decides to push it down the stack, or if those companies just flat out die? We talk about Instagram like it's been this thing that's existed in our lives for so long, but 10 years ago you were probably on MySpace and IG didn't exist.
No one has any idea what makes something "worth" more, and everything you think you know is just idle speculation at best. Candidly if I had to sell my collection in 5 years I'd expect to lose my ass on a TON of stuff, but if you're buying/trading based on real or potential market value, you're fucked anyway.
Damn, I’m guessing(/hoping) I haven’t hit 15k in my 9 years of collecting, though I haven’t really been keeping track well
I have been reading this thread and agonizing on whether or not to post or say anything.
Frankly at some point the bubble will burst. This has no effect on me whatsoever. I say this because I don’t have anything to do with this hobby to profit.
I don’t collect to make money I collect what I like and sometimes let go of what needs to be let go of.
I don’t make toys to make money. I have a job for that (although nothing but kudos to those that have made this into there primary craft). I make toys because I want to make something I think will appeal to some people and connect with them on the level it connected with me to make it in the first place.
The next year won’t be the end of the road.
Sofubi like hardcore has gone in cycles it will rise and fall but some of us won’t go anywhere we will keep collecting making and innovating because this is the place we belong.
I can’t tell you how excited I am to continue pushing the boundaries of what a “fight figure” is and represents.
I have so many weird things planned for 2020 things I want to try to do to make this experience more collector interactive things I want to do that will be different in terms of sculpts and things that I want to do that will be new for playability.
I won’t change my prices because I want my toys to be affordable I don’t care if they suddenly sell like hot cakes I want to make affordable toys because I want people to feel welcome in the world I’m trying to build.
I’m not worried if I’m selling a figure for $75 and all around it’s total cost to me is $73 that $2 isn’t what matters. What matters is people enjoying what I make and it being an outlet for them to make new friends and get in touch with something about themselves they enjoy.
Fuck it whatever TLDR right
I’m not really. I’ve seen some artists in a very very small venue with maybe 40 people in the room, and the same artists in a crowd of 10,000. Guess which admission i paid more for? Both shows were great in their own regard. I don’t regret going to either, or the prices i paid for either.
I'm always comparing my experience with toy and sofubi collecting with my experience with music, there are sooo many similarities.
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