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Sanjeev
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Joined: Mon Aug 13, 2007 6:46 am Posts: 2571 Location: Boston, MA
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Roger wrote: Ah. The vacuum chamber is in the video Mark posted, and it wasn't in the TV show. Now the whole "vacuform" thing I've been told about is starting to make sense. It's all coming together... Exactly. And not to be a super-anal nerd about it, but the term "vacuform" actually refers to pulling a flat sheet of heated plastic down over some molds on a table, and sucking out the air underneath to "form" the sheet around those shapes. That's how the form-fitting clear plastic trays boxed toys come in nowadays are made. I first heard of throwing molten plastic in a "pressure pot" for the purposes of removing trapped gas from servbot30's resin-casting thread on TBDX...which Rand continued here on Monster Kolor. Clever shit. Now, I get why rotocasting produces inconsistent wall thickness (because the centrifugal force isn't the same at different distances from the axis of rotation), but I still don't understand why rotocast vinyl toys have a microscopically-porous, matte surface finish (even if the mold is super-glossy), while slush-cast toys retain the precise finish of the mold (glossy or otherwise)...
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JoeMan
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Joined: Mon Dec 03, 2007 11:29 am Posts: 3818 Location: NY
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Sanjeev wrote: Roger wrote: Ah. The vacuum chamber is in the video Mark posted, and it wasn't in the TV show. Now the whole "vacuform" thing I've been told about is starting to make sense. It's all coming together... Exactly. And not to be a super-anal nerd about it, but the term "vacuform" actually refers to pulling a flat sheet of heated plastic down over some molds on a table, and sucking out the air underneath to "form" the sheet around those shapes. That's how the form-fitting clear plastic trays boxed toys come in nowadays are made. I first heard of throwing molten plastic in a "pressure pot" for the purposes of removing trapped gas from servbot30's resin-casting thread on TBDX...which Rand continued here on Monster Kolor. Clever shit. Now, I get why rotocasting produces inconsistent wall thickness (because the centrifugal force isn't the same at different distances from the axis of rotation), but I still don't understand why rotocast vinyl toys have a microscopically-porous, matte surface finish (even if the mold is super-glossy), while slush-cast toys retain the precise finish of the mold (glossy or otherwise)... MonstreHero did a good tutorial on casting with pressure pots in the rompers room. http://www.skullbrain.org/bb/viewtopic.php?f=49&t=2962
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Joined: Tue Nov 10, 2009 1:55 pm Posts: 1337 Location: Cleveland Ohio
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jojo the dog faced boy wrote: are you aging backwards? can you 'splain to me how that works? Josh is obviously a time lord hence his foresight into the success of the rose vampire
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eckotyper
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Joined: Mon Jun 02, 2008 4:07 am Posts: 2189
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fletchthis wrote: It actually makes the prices on stuff seem cheap compared to the amount of time and craft that go into each piece. i agree, i appreciate everything i have so much more after checking all the links out! the m1go one had me going WHOA! i thought rotocasting was done in a machine? im sure sometimes it is, but it seemed he was trying to explain it like just shake that I FART A LOT around to get the vinyl on the mold haha
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gatchabert
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Joined: Mon Aug 06, 2007 11:41 pm Posts: 6389 Location: 415
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logang1
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Joined: Sun Jul 29, 2007 2:58 am Posts: 3992
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Wow, so it appears that Goto-san has gone grobal
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Joined: Sun Jan 31, 2010 9:56 am Posts: 36 Location: UK/HK/TOKYO
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I still don't understand why rotocast vinyl toys have a microscopically-porous, matte surface finish (even if the mold is super-glossy), while slush-cast toys retain the precise finish of the mold (glossy or otherwise)...[/quote]
I asked this question to one of my engineers and I'm pretty sure it's something to do with the spin speeds. You are right about the tooling, the more polished the mould is..the glossier the finish.
I'll ask him again next time i see him, if anyone is interested I will be happy to document the process of Chinese small run production next time I'm there. There is an amazing factory of twenty craftsmen that have their ish down tight that did the Sarumon sculpt that I use a lot in Shenzhen.
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lummage
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Joined: Wed Apr 30, 2008 2:21 pm Posts: 93 Location: Pompano Beach
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Unbox wrote: if anyone is interested I will be happy to document the process of Chinese small run production next time I'm there. There is an amazing factory of twenty craftsmen that have their ish down tight that did the Sarumon sculpt that I use a lot in Shenzhen. Please do! I love seeing the behind the scenes stuff.
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poorbadger
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Joined: Sun Feb 21, 2010 2:41 pm Posts: 263 Location: the FLA
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But seriously, these manufacturing videos are great. I also enjoyed the paint masking photo spread posted by HBCoffin. Sanjeev wrote: Sanjeev wrote: ...cock diesel vacuum chamber...
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poorbadger
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Joined: Sun Feb 21, 2010 2:41 pm Posts: 263 Location: the FLA
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Yes! Most certainly interested! Unbox wrote: I'll ask him again next time i see him, if anyone is interested I will be happy to document the process of Chinese small run production next time I'm there. There is an amazing factory of twenty craftsmen that have their ish down tight that did the Sarumon sculpt that I use a lot in Shenzhen.
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lurker
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Joined: Thu Dec 08, 2005 8:22 pm Posts: 3696 Location: Pittsburgh, PA
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Unbox wrote: There is an amazing factory of twenty craftsmen that have their ish down tight that did the Sarumon sculpt that I use a lot in Shenzhen. is sarumon made in china?
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Joined: Sun Jan 31, 2010 9:56 am Posts: 36 Location: UK/HK/TOKYO
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lurker wrote: Unbox wrote: There is an amazing factory of twenty craftsmen that have their ish down tight that did the Sarumon sculpt that I use a lot in Shenzhen. is sarumon made in china? The sculpt was done in China, I will check if the manufacturing was done there. I know for certain that this factory is known to import raw plastic from Japan for clients but I could not tell you for what products I'm afraid. I am over in China next month so I will ask a bunch of questions, take some photos and report back, the in house sculptor is off the chain! On a kind of related subject, there is a model making company up the road from where I live that made a slush moulding machine for around £1500.00. They are still working the kinks out but it's a really impressive project. The guys who make this stuff never fail to amaze me.
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Joined: Sun Jan 31, 2010 9:56 am Posts: 36 Location: UK/HK/TOKYO
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That video is great...thanks!
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petitetoilonrouge
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Joined: Sat Jan 31, 2009 9:53 pm Posts: 3621 Location: Where moose are lords.
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Roger wrote: OSHA is exactly why vinyl stuff isn't made in America any more. Too costly to keep up with regulations so the fumes are vented from the facility properly, etc. Meanwhile, that guy in the little shack in Japan isn't even wearing a cloth mask! Aren't they all saying no one wants to take over the business? I wonder what part of it is because kids want to stay healthy...
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Joined: Tue Sep 09, 2008 11:33 am Posts: 533 Location: LA
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logang1 wrote: Wow, so it appears that Goto-san has gone grobal That's racist...but seriously Goto-san is adorable.
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