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hillsy11
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Joined: Thu Dec 15, 2005 12:51 am Posts: 2981 Location: Seattle
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 Ikas?
Just out of curiosity, what's with the mass Ika expunge?
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Fri Sep 01, 2006 7:46 pm |
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Frank Kozik
Mini Boss
Joined: Sat Oct 22, 2005 8:53 pm Posts: 4668
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Fri Sep 01, 2006 8:28 pm |
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rhinomilk
Vintage
Joined: Sun Apr 09, 2006 4:15 pm Posts: 7136 Location: Bay Area
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everyone is making room for the glow ones
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Fri Sep 01, 2006 8:30 pm |
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shibby
Comment King
Joined: Mon Mar 13, 2006 6:16 pm Posts: 1290 Location: San Jose
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I love my black one, i'll never part with it, now to save for a G.I.D.
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Fri Sep 01, 2006 8:33 pm |
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vardcore
Addicted
Joined: Mon Mar 27, 2006 12:57 am Posts: 557 Location: Gainesville, Florida
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 Maybe they realized it looks like a sex toy.
The next limited variant is a colaboration with Good Vibrations. The tentacles totally hit those hard to reach spots. They are making a normal vibe and a special butt plug version.
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Fri Sep 01, 2006 8:46 pm |
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Frank Kozik
Mini Boss
Joined: Sat Oct 22, 2005 8:53 pm Posts: 4668
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Fri Sep 01, 2006 8:49 pm |
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vardcore
Addicted
Joined: Mon Mar 27, 2006 12:57 am Posts: 557 Location: Gainesville, Florida
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Oh come on, you know there's someone in an emergency room right now trying to get one of those out of themselves! 
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Fri Sep 01, 2006 8:52 pm |
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locomoto566
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Joined: Sun Jan 01, 2006 3:00 pm Posts: 5466 Location: right behind you
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 Re: Ikas?
hillsy11 wrote: Just out of curiosity, what's with the mass Ika expunge?
Seafood alergies?
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Fri Sep 01, 2006 8:58 pm |
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Frank Kozik
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Joined: Sat Oct 22, 2005 8:53 pm Posts: 4668
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Fri Sep 01, 2006 9:41 pm |
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cae
Toy Prince
Joined: Fri Dec 09, 2005 6:00 pm Posts: 256 Location: PT, WA
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heh. I love it when TEH MARKET collapses so we who are occasionally patient (just occasionally mind you) can reap the reward.
Still need a black one. Keep those flips comin'.
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Fri Sep 01, 2006 11:13 pm |
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Frank Kozik
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Joined: Sat Oct 22, 2005 8:53 pm Posts: 4668
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pigeonfarmboy
Toy Prince
Joined: Sun Jul 23, 2006 9:46 pm Posts: 474 Location: Los Angeles, CA
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It's certainly the perfect time to collect them.
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Sat Sep 02, 2006 12:43 pm |
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agitprop
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Joined: Sun Sep 03, 2006 7:30 pm Posts: 47
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If I weren't saving money for the GID Ika and the anarchy dog I will pick some of these up. I don't understand why everyone is dumping them. 
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Thu Sep 07, 2006 10:31 am |
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Pogue
Die-Cast
Joined: Mon Oct 17, 2005 9:25 am Posts: 8218
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agitprop wrote: If I weren't saving money for the GID Ika and the anarchy dog I will pick some of these up. I don't understand why everyone is dumping them. 
It is easy to understand
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Thu Sep 07, 2006 10:37 am |
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Taro
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Joined: Sun Oct 16, 2005 6:49 pm Posts: 1642 Location: Perelandra
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Pogue wrote: agitprop wrote: If I weren't saving money for the GID Ika and the anarchy dog I will pick some of these up. I don't understand why everyone is dumping them.  It is easy to understand
A list of Ikas that haven't sold doesn't explain why they haven't sold.
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Thu Sep 07, 2006 10:41 am |
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Locomoco
Die-Cast
Joined: Wed Mar 01, 2006 11:13 pm Posts: 8143 Location: San Mateo
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geo wrote: A list of Ikas that haven't sold doesn't explain why they haven't sold.
Volume, volume, volume...
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Thu Sep 07, 2006 10:42 am |
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Taro
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Joined: Sun Oct 16, 2005 6:49 pm Posts: 1642 Location: Perelandra
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Ah, the supply exceeds the demand. Wasn't keeping track on how many of these were made.
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Thu Sep 07, 2006 10:52 am |
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Frank Kozik
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Joined: Sat Oct 22, 2005 8:53 pm Posts: 4668
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lets see....
about 1100 ikas where made in 10 different colors over a 1 year period.
21 went unsold on ebay.
thats 2% of the ikas unwanted.
OMG
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Thu Sep 07, 2006 10:55 am |
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Pogue
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geo wrote: A list of Ikas that haven't sold doesn't explain why they haven't sold.
Nope, but it explains why people are dumping them. When toys don't hold their value people sell. Selling begets more selling. For all the “I buy what I like” bullshit I hear on message boards most people like to see toys go up or at least retain their value. Even if you don’t sell it is nice to know you are in front of the demand curve.
Since Frank no longer cares about the aftermarket for his toys (like a lot of artist these days) it is not a surprise there is no aftermarket for them anymore. I feel bad for a lot of collectors who did not get the memo last year. Many western artists have started making lifestyle products instead of collectables. The retail price points have gone up and the aftermarket values have gone down.
I guess it is just too bad for the collectors that were slow to catch on. Most of us were lucky, when we started buying stuff you could make purchasing mistakes and get your money back out of toys in the aftermarket. This kept a lot of us from early burnout.
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Thu Sep 07, 2006 10:57 am |
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Pogue
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Frank Kozik wrote: lets see....
about 1100 ikas where made in 10 different colors over a 1 year period.
21 went unsold on ebay.
thats 2% of the ikas unwanted.
Actually it was 21 in just the last month.
It is not the unsold ones that scare people it is what the are selling for that makes people decide to recover what money they can out of them.
It seems to be effecting retail. The gid w/spray took 7 days to sell and the gid is not sold out yet. The 1st versions were higher numbers and sold a lot faster. How are the other sculpts in the Kaiju for grown ups series doing?
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Thu Sep 07, 2006 11:05 am |
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Frank Kozik
Mini Boss
Joined: Sat Oct 22, 2005 8:53 pm Posts: 4668
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honestly,aftermarket was never a concern, as I dont speculate my toys on the aftermarket.
I base my #'s as far as manufacture goes with this formula:
wholesale purchases=breakeven on manfacturing costs and 25 units for subscriber list.
my retail sales= my profit
so:
100 ikas cost me 3500.00 shipped to us
minus 25 units for subbers
leaves 75 ikas.
I sell 25 at retail= 2500.00
I sell 45 at wholesale=2250.00
5 are stashed= 0.00
money out: 3500.00
money in: 4750.00
my profit: 1250.00 plus say 1% of subscriber money as an ika is 1 out of about 100 pieces a subber gets
so 25 ikas= 750.00 dollars in sub money
my total profit on 100 ikas=2000.00
which is about 75% return on my investment, as I split a line between wholesale and reatil sales.
Thats pretty good. I wish it was 100% but shipping and handling costs eat up a lot.
any business person can understand this. pricing is fair. WW sells Ikas in Japan for less cause they are only paying the baseline manufacturing cost.
also, as a 'product' a new unproven product, a 90% sell through on the first year
is a spectacular success.
I am also not able to keep X percent of the wholesale customers from re-selling at low cost.
anyone here go to business school? tell me how to improve the model, the basic out the door regular sales model...not aftermarket speculation.
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Thu Sep 07, 2006 11:10 am |
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Frank Kozik
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Joined: Sat Oct 22, 2005 8:53 pm Posts: 4668
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Pogue wrote: Frank Kozik wrote: lets see....
about 1100 ikas where made in 10 different colors over a 1 year period.
21 went unsold on ebay.
thats 2% of the ikas unwanted. Actually it was 21 in just the last month. It is not the unsold ones that scare people it is what the are selling for that makes people decide to recover what money they can out of them. It seems to be effecting retail. The gid w/spray took 7 days to sell and the gid is not sold out yet. The 1st versions were higher numbers and sold a lot faster. How are the other sculpts in the Kaiju for grown ups series doing?
the gids where incepted by WW as they want to keep production flowing. I personally think theres enough variants.
the Mothman is selling like crazy as Horvath fans are many. theres LOTS of mothmen out there.
Ledbetter will be a crapshoot, as it seems his popularity is on the wane. Personally the current sales (35 out of 50) available have me at above my optimum formula so I am happy with the results. any unsold GIDS I have 3 wholesalers ready for them.
Ika is a small niche item. I do Ika 'for fun'...because in the same month that I sell a 'paltry' 50 Ikas I sell around 20,000 labbits and mongers. I also just sold out of my 50 retail Maos...at 200 a pop.
Also, theres a huge increase in RXH, sb garg etc action so that eats into 'ika sales' a bit.
on the new Labbit Monster with wonderwall I will prolly make less colors in smaller runs,and see how that goes.
also 'panic selling' is sort of counter intuitive,as its self defeating.
but then again,aftermarket is not my bag. I avoided it for the 15 years I did posters. I avoid it now.
I ebcourage people to buy my toys because they like them not as speculation.
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Thu Sep 07, 2006 11:17 am |
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Locomoco
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Joined: Wed Mar 01, 2006 11:13 pm Posts: 8143 Location: San Mateo
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I think the numbers of each release were reasonable, but I think the frequency in which they were released hurt the interest in the figure. So many Ikas came out so quickly, that it kinda felt like we hardly had any time to appreciate the last one before the next two were being offered up.
I think that in my case, I just felt a bit of Ika consumer fatigue.
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Thu Sep 07, 2006 11:18 am |
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plover
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Joined: Sat Mar 04, 2006 11:34 am Posts: 3086 Location: Canada
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There's no question certain buyers are very drawn to the idea of a "limited" release. However, when these limited releases are subsequently put into the market in a plethora of versions I believe the potential value gained by a figure's rarity is lost.
Even if there are only 100 of a certain colour how many possible combinations can be released before they all become less "special"?
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Thu Sep 07, 2006 11:23 am |
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Frank Kozik
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Joined: Sat Oct 22, 2005 8:53 pm Posts: 4668
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the release schedule was and is incepted by WW. they are really pressuring me to release the new figure, I have been hanging back a bit. It will prolly come out in December.
be aware of this: my Japan sources tell me RXH and so on are about to dramatically increase production, so dont get scared into dumping your old stock.
stuff always goes down after initial release, then over time,if the 'collectors' stay cool
rises back up. it rarely hits 'peak' again, because the people willing to go large generally have their figures by then...and a 'normal' perswon is not going to spend 400 bucks on a balzac skullbee like I did.
likewise,making runs of '10' pieces is not a realistic scenario. why? while 'morally awesome' it eats up an entire production slot. do that repeatedly I'll have to go get a job and fuck that.
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