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Roger
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geo wrote: Sad commentary. I agree, but I was also including you.
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Wed Oct 04, 2006 5:18 pm |
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Taro
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If I am attacked for asking a valid question, do you expect me to just say nothing?
Please give me your suggestion at what point I went wrong, or should not have responded.
I am asking because I value your opinion.
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Wed Oct 04, 2006 5:22 pm |
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Roger
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geo wrote: If I am attacked for asking a valid question, do you expect me to just say nothing? Yep. Quote: Please give me your suggestion at what point I went wrong, or should not have responded. Any time that someone responded with something that didn't address the topic and add to a sensible discussion about it. It would have just ended right there. Instead we now have a thread that's over 100 posts long, and at least 80 of those are just static.
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Wed Oct 04, 2006 5:25 pm |
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Anti Social Andy
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Man, Ramos is gonna kill you all dead when he gets home . . .
IMO Only Mr Flynn can answer this question, it's his train set and he can do what he likes with it! . . . whether it was a conscious change or just natural evolution requires a response only he, or people involved in the editorial decision making process of the magazine, can make.
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Wed Oct 04, 2006 5:26 pm |
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Locomoco
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Scary Andy wrote: Man, Ramos is gonna kill you all dead when he gets home . . . .
No no no... all we have to do is delete each response in backwards order, and he'll never know it happened...
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Wed Oct 04, 2006 5:28 pm |
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Roger
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Locomoco wrote: No no no... all we have to do is delete each response in backwards order, and he'll never know it happened... That's actually not a bad idea.
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Wed Oct 04, 2006 5:29 pm |
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datadub
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to be blunt the cover has to move the mag off the shelves...
Kaws moves mags... but as long as its got good innards I will be content..
(haven't seen it yet)
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Wed Oct 04, 2006 5:33 pm |
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Anti Social Andy
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Roger wrote: Locomoco wrote: No no no... all we have to do is delete each response in backwards order, and he'll never know it happened... That's actually not a bad idea.
Although it would require co-operation and co-ordination to work towards a positive conclusion . . . . . .
. . . . . . I'd say yer fucked! 
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Wed Oct 04, 2006 5:37 pm |
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Taro
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Roger wrote: geo wrote: If I am attacked for asking a valid question, do you expect me to just say nothing? Yep. Quote: Please give me your suggestion at what point I went wrong, or should not have responded. Any time that someone responded with something that didn't address the topic and add to a sensible discussion about it. It would have just ended right there. Instead we now have a thread that's over 100 posts long, and at least 80 of those are just static.
I agree with you from a rational standpoint. But still feel conflicted emotionally about this. There is another thread on this board started tonite by Frank that I have not responded to that has a gleeful idiotic hurtful life of its own. The only purpose of that thread was to create conflict and controversy, as far as I can tell. I am sure Frank and his underlings will deny that, but the intent is obvious.
For some reason, I continue to feel that by responding and defending myself, the fools will expose themselves for what they really are; and that at least somebody will express agreement regarding all the bs, even if they are afraid to speak out publicly and only communicate by PMs (like many people do). Perhaps that is what makes me such an attractive target for the many compulsive baiters and flamers that populate this board. They know that they can get a rise out of me because I am willing to defend myself.
For all of the chastizing and pain and everything else that people supposedly went through in the last couple of weeks, I don't sense that anything at all has changed. After a short period of relative calm, things are quickly reverting to the old gang circle jerk. And I am not optimistic, unfortunately, that Brian or Isaac will do anything about it despite their strong statements otherwise.
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Wed Oct 04, 2006 5:42 pm |
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irsk
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geo wrote: If I am attacked for asking a valid question, do you expect me to just say nothing?
Actually yes. If you think people are bullying you, then the best thing to do is ignore them - if bully/attention seeker gets no reaction, then s/he stops action because it's no longer fun. This isn't the middle-ages - you don't need to fight for your honor.
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Wed Oct 04, 2006 5:43 pm |
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Pogue
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Geo - I think the point is Kaws is a (or the) crossover between east & west. Kaws was inspired by Japanese toy companies, Medicom is a Japanese toy company, many of the sculpts are by Japanesse designers and Kaws has a store in Japan. The "Mikey as monster" concept is much more Kaiju than Tonka Truck.
In the end how could they pass up the chance to do a Kaws article? It might be a new direction or it might just be a one off deal, I have no idea. We all know a single data point does not tell you much. Wait until the next issue and it might be more clear where they are headed.
The one thing I am sure of is Super7 magazine is the best toy porn in the world.
PS. Frank - water is the source of all life.
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Wed Oct 04, 2006 5:46 pm |
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Taro
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Pogue wrote: Geo - I think the point is Kaws is a (or the) crossover between east & west. Kaws was inspired by Japanese toy companies, Medicom is a Japanese toy company, many of the sculpts are by Japanesse designers and Kaws has a store in Japan. The "Mikey as monster" concept is much more Kaiju than Tonka Truck.
In the end how could they pass up the chance to do a Kaws article? It might be a new direction or it might just be a one off deal, I have no idea. We all know a single data point does not tell you much. Wait until the next issue and it might be more clear where they are headed.
The one thing I am sure of is Super7 magazine is the best toy porn in the world.
PS. Frank - water is the source of all life.
Again, I am not objecting to the Kaws article... but pointed it out as what I thought might be signaling a change in direction.
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Wed Oct 04, 2006 5:49 pm |
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Taro
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irsk wrote: geo wrote: If I am attacked for asking a valid question, do you expect me to just say nothing? Actually yes. If you think people are bullying you, then the best thing to do is ignore them - if bully/attention seeker gets no reaction, then s/he stops action because it's no longer fun. This isn't the middle-ages - you don't need to fight for your honor.
What does anyone need to fight for, then?
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Wed Oct 04, 2006 5:50 pm |
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el maz
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Wed Oct 04, 2006 5:54 pm |
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liquidsky
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Wed Oct 04, 2006 6:02 pm |
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Locomoco
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geo wrote: irsk wrote: geo wrote: If I am attacked for asking a valid question, do you expect me to just say nothing? Actually yes. If you think people are bullying you, then the best thing to do is ignore them - if bully/attention seeker gets no reaction, then s/he stops action because it's no longer fun. This isn't the middle-ages - you don't need to fight for your honor. What does anyone need to fight for, then?
When I see that response, it makes me think that you want to get into fights...
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Wed Oct 04, 2006 6:03 pm |
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Roger
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geo wrote: For some reason, I continue to feel that by responding and defending myself, the fools will expose themselves for what they really are; and that at least somebody will express agreement regarding all the bs, even if they are afraid to speak out publicly and only communicate by PMs (like many people do). Perhaps that is what makes me such an attractive target for the many compulsive baiters and flamers that populate this board. They know that they can get a rise out of me because I am willing to defend myself. Here's what is really happening: by defending yourself, you are giving them exactly what they want: an emotional reaction. You may hope that somehow they will be exposed as fools and you will be vindicated when people agree with you, but it's not going to work out that way. Even if it did it would contribute nothing to the long-term health of the board.
Trust me. I've seen this drama played out a thousand times online over the last twenty years.
So here's my suggestion. Don't take things so personally and let things roll off your back. If you start threads like this one, one that promotes a straightforward discussion without trying to push any buttons, and people act like jerks to you, then just let them act like jerks. Others will see them act like jerks, and hopefully those others will avoid starting more conflict by not calling them out on it. It's that simple.
I have this to say to everybody: there are more and more people coming to this place every day as the magazine gains exposure. You are acting like idiots in front of a larger and larger audience. If you want this place to grow like the magazine is, then you're going to have to change and adapt instead of this petty crap that goes on here day in, day out.
And I'll go one step further (what the hell, may as well overstep at this point), and speak for the people that run this place by saying that they think that all of the drama that goes on here is stupid and pointless, and they have no idea why any of it happens. They mention it almost every time I talk to them about the board. If you keep demonstrating this to them, then this place will cease to exist one day.
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Wed Oct 04, 2006 6:18 pm |
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LamourSupreme
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^beautifully stated Roger. End of thread.
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Wed Oct 04, 2006 6:32 pm |
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Count
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Wait a fucking minute Roger, are you actually saying that the internet has been around for twenty years!

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Wed Oct 04, 2006 6:38 pm |
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kidclam
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Spoiler: Potential Clam Baking material.
Well it seems that Super7 has always been open minded in more ways than many of you imagine. Besides going straight into Kaiju toy section, have you guys actually looked at the other sections on their site? They have been promoting artists for a long time, and most are non Japanese. Having KAWS on the cover is great (You can't deny greatness.) he is hot topic at the moment and appeals to many other people who are not neccessary hard core Kaiju addicts. I hope by having this cover that Super7 will get more converters and they make more money and put that money back into making a thicker magazine. Change is good.
Super7 has always been about being open minded. I remember buying from their online store for the first time a few years back. Issac or someone from Super7 emailed me back about my work, and whether I would be interested in putting my work up on their site to sell. So I think they are quite open arms to any one which is I think is very refreshing to see since it extends beyond pigeon holing (is this the term?) themselves as Japanese/US store.
I think if S7 start looking at other issues besides just toys then is totalling cool. Having a magazine that has a broader appeal will not damage it's cred, it'll only expand the readership. If they keep up with the same quality of articles as Kozik says, then it can only be good.
For all those of you who don't collect RAH figs, all Medicom toys are made in China. So is all the Michael Lau and Eric So toys. Your high priced sneakers are from China, India, Sri Lanka or Vietnam.
I am not taking sides however I don't think Geo was being controversial at all or trying to be making a fuss. I don't understand why people read into things and start a fight? Maybe it's just this one way type of forum conversation that creates antagonism?? We should not be comforming to what everyone here "expects" you should say, but have the environment where we can have our own opinions. The unexpected is refreshing whether you like it or not.
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Wed Oct 04, 2006 6:39 pm |
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kidclam
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Roger wrote: Others will see them act like jerks, and hopefully those others will avoid starting more conflict by not calling them out on it. It's that simple.
I agree with Roger. It's Kaiju 90210 here.
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Wed Oct 04, 2006 6:49 pm |
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Pogue
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geo wrote: Again, I am not objecting to the Kaws article... but pointed it out as what I thought might be signaling a change in direction.
my point the kaws article is not a change in direction, his toys have a lot of japanese aspects to them.
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Wed Oct 04, 2006 6:51 pm |
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Frank Kozik
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geo wrote: Just my impression from dealing with folks at a local nonprofit agency I do voluneteer work for, and based on the non-sensical out-of-the-blue responses that certain people keep spouting. Very similar to the utterances and written statements I get from the people in therapy for these addictive drugs.
ok I'll explain it to you.
I think you collect toys in order to seek 'the purity of the OTHER' in order to feel more secure in the cosmos. Seeking the OTHER is a sort of weird thing about our society. In addition, those who are at the farthest remove from the OTHER, an example being say a 55 year old retired white guy in michigan obssessing over reproductions of plastic childrens toys from japan) is really strange. It reminds me of Gen Rippers odd behavior in Dr Strangelove and his obsession with 'Purity of Essence'. The Ripper qoute is a tangential comment on my original purity post. I find it personally amusing.
for the record I enjoy painkillers, but only when in pain.
*catches breath*
I will try, in the future, to be completely literal in my commentary and in no way assume a certain reader of my posts has the ability to uderstand cross-connected pop culture references.
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Wed Oct 04, 2006 7:39 pm |
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Frank Kozik
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as to Kaws, my personal opinion,based on 10 years of travelling to and working with 'pop culture' in Japan and its fans here is that while Kaws influence on ' Neo Kaiju' for alack of a better term has had little or no influence, but on a lot of other areas of RELATED art and design his influnce both here, in Asia and in Europe is beyond measure. He is completely successfully a bridge between east and west indie and corporate. Kaws is one for the history books, and , additionally, he is a reclusive type and S&'s article is a sort of gigantic coup for them. It will dramatically impact their presence in a positive manner.
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Wed Oct 04, 2006 7:43 pm |
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geo -
are you a retired 55 year old white man in michigan?
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