[quote="davidugly"]I do wonder about the choice of materials.
I've been trying to emulate the plastics found in Japan for a long time,
stumping the very best factories in China. I gave up.
We came close with the clear plastic, but then the stuff would stink to high
heaven and break down after a few weeks.

Im thinking its a good thing that the Chinese cant do Japanese Vinyl....fuck Chinese made for the West shit... they make everything else the West wants shitty too.

China was chosen as the worlds factory to destroy World Labor movements and break down the tariff systems that protected local industries around the World.Now instead of wages going up as the goods do ...people get laid off... and your hammer is 1/3 what it should cost and last 1/10 the time...what a fkn scam the whole Globalist trip is.

Mr. Ugly it not possible to just go for the real deal and make All Ugly Vinyls in Japan vs dealing with China at all ???

As far as I know 99% of the old Japanese Monster,Hero, Villian / Kaiju were made in Japan....same with the New Wave "Kaiju" scene. These were and are made in small factories by craftsmen.At some point like with Everything else some really cheap mostly crummy dime a dozen "Japanese " toys started getting outsourced to China.
So to me the Vintage scene ruled in its OG glory in Japan and the New scene is very similar but even smaller ...more DIY companies...the cheap junk is still just junk from China...ect.

Barring the KawsXPus which would have been even better made in Japan
and a couple Biskup toys... I stay away from Chinese vinyl and plastic toys.

Problem with China is the same for hammers ...they pump out a ton of Crap cheap for the West...if it wasnt for the cheap part...we wouldnt even hardly hear about China.
International Capitalists pay off China's government ...then the Chinese government scams their Labor force... then these these Global Capitalist scam the Americans/People of the World with their ill gotten cheap goods...quantity vs. quality. Its not just China..but they are the biggest.

The Chinese elite Government cronies and the Global Capitalists win ...everybody else loses so a tiny tiny few can make Billions.

Im glad they couldnt make Japanese Style Vinyl in China for you or anyone else....nothing against you ..my little niece loves Ugly Doll Plushes ...so Ive bought more than a few over the last couple years....but Im glad all the same.

I hate [expletive deleted] and not into Ugly Dolls. I see both aiming for mass appeal as much as each other...but talking about cheap plastics and nice plastic is like complaining Ugly Dolls should be made out of leather. Did anyone mention that both sucked in design? I am all for Japanese vinyl and Made in China toys can also be good like Medicom.

We dont need any explanations as to why this shit isnt cool here.
Thanks for the filter update is helps [expletive deleted] fans to realize its not allowed here and for good reason. If Flynn says its Out its out! THIS IS SKULLBRAIN !!! Period.

All this I like em...I gotta few ..Im gonna defend them ...why not here? BS is unnecessary. If Flynn says its OUT its fkn out. Even shitting all over them is barely acceptable.

SKULLBRAIN does NOT exist in spite of or as a reaction to some OTHER scene...it exist Independent of the [expletive deleted] / [expletive deleted] world ...fuck platform toys...they have nothing to do with SKULLBRAIN.

The line is NOT blurred it is sharp and clear.

Thank you to Flynn for not being wishy-washy about this and stickin to you guns!

They look like bad pewter that some stoner did in metal shop.

I have no problem with [expletive deleted], but these things fucking suck!

wow those are actually really sad, is toy2r having a mid life crisis?

You know I just wonder what you base your comments on. Do you or have you had western vinyl before? I don't mean 1 or 2, I mean enough pieces to elaborate on your dislike. I'm not starting shit, just trying to understand this kind of dialogue. I make my toys with Chinese vinyl and I can tell you they arent crap. I'm trying not to be biased. Japanese vinyl is great but it's not immune to being "crap". Making toys in Japan with a Japanese factory isn't as easy as "oh I'm ready to make a toy,,let me contact xx factory in JP and get the ball rollin". You have to have someone with pull over there to be your rep to get a factory to even talk to you and even then these factories are so swamped with projects you'll be lucky if you get an opening. we're talking years here.

You know I just wonder what you base your comments on. Do you or have you had western vinyl before? I don't mean 1 or 2, I mean enough pieces to elaborate on your dislike. I'm not starting shit, just trying to understand this kind of dialogue. I make my toys with Chinese vinyl and I can tell you they arent crap. I'm trying not to be biased. Japanese vinyl is great but it's not immune to being "crap". Making toys in Japan with a Japanese factory isn't as easy as "oh I'm ready to make a toy,,let me contact xx factory in JP and get the ball rollin". You have to have someone with pull over there to be your rep to get a factory to even talk to you and even then these factories are so swamped with projects you'll be lucky if you get an opening. we're talking years here.

Sorry I had to delete that emo-con cause I hate them too.

You got me ...i have almost Zero Chinese crap in my Casa that isnt traditional non Western stuff.I really like Chinese Buddhist stone from the 5th to the 16th Century.
I base my disdain for Chinese crap on the whole freakin big picture as outlined above more than toys. ...of which I have Very few ...you are correct.I guess it is really a political rant thinly veiled .

I have been to KR 1 time...it was full of crappy hard dull plastic with crappy "Western " design and when it comes to the Japanese Vinyl that we collect here it is so inferior IMO that there is no argument.I prefer Japanese style and Vinyl over ANY...yes ANY Chinese "product" I have ever seen in a Shop or online.Im sure you like your toy and want others to like it too.But IMO the chance of it being anything other than cheap [expletive deleted] plastic is very slim.

I have some Biskup toys made in HK/China...I also have some Biskup toys made in Japan...the Japanese made are superior in all aspects period.Like my 1952 USA made hammer is what it is.Sure it is a generalization to say Japanese "product" is superior to Chinese ...but its also a fact.

I was not talking about your toy..you dont have the name recognition or contacts to get yours made in Japan I guess...but I get the feeling Mr. Ugly does.I have Zero against either of you ...but I am still glad as all hell that China has yet to replicate Japanese Style Vinyl...I hope they never do.....Not for you...Ugly...or Anyone.

When it comes to toys my opinion of Chinese "Vinyl" is just that ...mine...when it comes to the politics ..it is more than just my opinion.

I really think that it's a very extreme comparison, beacuse it depends on the designer, the DESIGN, and how that designer finds the right balance of cost efficiency versus quality. Robert is right, going the Japan route is much harder and I even asked him earlier about this... I want my toys one day to be of the best quality but I will still try to find Japanese companies to make it mostly because I don't trust many Chinese companies and worry for bootlegs, a toy designers nightmare... but again as Loco says I could be lying.

eldorado you might wanna be careful with your "everything Chinese is shit" or "Chinese crap" attitude. Not only is that very biased but also sounds discriminating considering there MIGHT be some chinese members here?

First of all, a lot of toys that I collect are mass produced by China with great quality. Yes there are shit toys but usually because the toy itself is shit. When you take a look at Bandai Chogokins, Medicom RAHs, Kaiyodo Revoltechs, Transformers etc. they are all great stuff.

Second, since China is like a factory to the world, you honestly cannot expect everything they churn out to be of Japanese quality. Let's be fair, at their low costs and insane volumes I highly doubt any country in the world can match their value to quality ratio. If their products are so bad then why is the world still using them?? What you call shit is what others consider economical.

Third, I deal with Chinese factories and I know how good and bad their products can be. My business imports products straight from China and we distribute to resellers and manufacturers. From my experience, yes some aren't too great but overall it's definitely not shit! Based on the factory's mass outputs, they were still able to keep defective items well below 1% which is impressive IMO. Different factories produce different quality which has nothing to do with the government but management itself.

Judging Chinese products based solely on 'Japanese vinyl' is really unfair. They wouldn't give a fuck about vinyls in the first place.

Mikeee, Vinyl to vinyl you can't argue the fact that Japanese vinyl slays every time. That's what this board is about, Japanese vinyl slaying.



Have you ever read anything like this before?...

http://walmartwatch.com/img/documents/u ... a_lose.pdf

Go economical goods!

I don't doubt that. Chinese vinyl pales in comparison to J-vinyl. However my point was about Chinese products as a whole and not strictly surrounding our hobby.

Also, with regards to Walmart, isn't the whole problem with Walmart being too dependent on China and wanting to dominate the markets by lowering costs in the first place? Can't blame China if Walmart wants their business right?

Spending a few more dollars so someone doesn't have to work their ass off in a sweat shop so I can save a few bucks so I have more money to waste on stupid shit I don't need is kind of not worth it to me. Although I am sure some stuff has slipped by me I won't buy certain stuff if I know where its made. I wish corporations like nike were all back in the states, if they cost 30 dollars more a pair for those nikes we wouldn't see so many kids with more shoes than their girlfriends and mother put together.

Putting in a minimal effort of finding out about a company you buy stuff from is generally a good idea, although something lots of people over look and I am sure even the most extreme about it slip at times.

One question though, as far as I have seen, none of the western stuff seems to be cast in the same method as the japanese vinyl. Its weird to think that japanese vinyl is some crazy secret that nobody could duplicate, what could be a factor in that?

I agree it's probably not the most secret recipe...although I would imagine the Jpnese are a couple years more advanced in terms of the whole trial and error...getting a product to a certain way/level.

I wouldn't mind seeing a domestic/american vinyl co. spring up and start competing for some market share with an ultra high quality product!
Although at first they'd be a even a few years behind even the chinese in terms of trial/error. Unless of course there's a MASS influx of cash and they could afford to blow a ton in R&D to catch up... I don't see that "mass influx of cash" happening honestly.

If it would work tho...the price should actually be Less tho(in the long run)...being that they could make the factories much much bigger than any Jpnese plant, and not to mention wages are higher in Jpn. But then again... companies aren't saddled with the healthcare costs so...hmm..

And uhh...for reference sake...China is Japan's Biggest trading partner. Every single Jpnese household uses chinese products. The factory that makes the vinyl for our toys uses chinese products

I understand your worry as to QC etc, as I worry also...but in moderation. Yes China is going thru growing pains in terms of having strict quality control. Just like Jpn and the USA had in its past.
And rogue F***ers trying to cut corners to make a buck will Always exist in Every country.
Hell, Jpn just went thru a Series of national food scandals including re-labeling of expired foods, selling ground chicken/pork/beef as pure beef, a few years ago one of the biggest milk producers...shipped expired milk...made 14,000 people sick...Jpn's biggest outbreak of food poisoning. Makes all our and china's recent Snafu's look pale in comparison

So hopefully...a little perspective

edit...ack forgot to add... screw these quees damn nasty looking things trying to cash in be@rbrick rip off mofos

I think there are environmental standards that prevent people from making vinyl toys in North America.

There are standards preventing it here and this has came up a few times, a simple search should suffice if you want to read about it.

It just seems that there is a trial and error factor no place else has found worth it to perfect. Does anyone have a general idea of how many places actual produce the toys we buy? How many companies use the same vinyl places?

If it is so hard to produce and is handed down that in itself is an art form, not to mention sculpting and paint apps and overall creativity. If you just take a kaiju/fight figure out in a normal setting it stands out, how they stand out and how intriguing they are like nothing else and knowing that even the vinyl is a I FART A LOT to make makes it even better. I have to agree though if they did manage to make comparable vinyl and mass produce pieces it would definately lose something. My favorite part of this hobby was when I first got the bug and knew nothing of it and every piece I saw was exciting and its one of the few things I have liked that still seems to have that effect on me on a daily basis.

There might be certain formula to producing vinyl characteristics of J-vinyl coupled with production differences. All sorts of chemicals can be added into vinyl to change it's properties that will require a lot experimenting to get it right.

I agree with Gizzy that Q.e.e.s are just trying to cash in on Kubrick's popularity and the whole cross licensing trend. Needless to say their attempt with Kaijus has left many of us to reflect on why we all LOVE [expletive deleted].

'"chanting, "Cafferty, fire"'

That's a helluva chant, right there....

'"turned its attack on the Chinese government to try to sow division between the Chinese government and the people."'

Well.....YEAH....that's only what we've been trying to do for the last 50 years!

What exactly is the definition of a platform toy?

RxH or Bemon or whatever could probably be seen as a platform toy

Seems to me a "platform toy" would be a toy designed for the expressed purpose of being a canvas, if you will, for the art or design of many artists or designers.
Thus RxH and Bemon wouldn't fit the category, as they were not designed with the intent that they would be redesigned or altered by another artist.

I would agree, until RxH contributed to the [SOLID] line.

And the Kozik pieces

But I remember Kozik somewhere describing Labbit as a platform toy, and I can't remember anyone but him creating colourways. Same with that Dr Bomb.

Kind of a subtle distinction but to me it's a platform toy if the sculpt is painted to be a different character by each artist. So a smogun is still a smogun if it's painted by Bwana, and if Kozik paints a chaos it's still Mori's character. A kaws be@rbrick though is a new character created by kaws. If that makes any sense?