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Wow, some of ya'all really need to take some Midol and chill. I was just posting an opinion, but since I was called out by a few I'll represent myself.

Also, this will be my last post in this "discussion" on guns and weapons, this is a toy show off thread and I'm not about to go back and forth about this forever. Everyone is entitled to their opinions. If you want to start a discussion about this make a thread, or pm me. Personally though I'd rather you didn't as I'm not a fan of eating the biscuit.

Mutonismyfriend, I noticed when you were asking your question you left out how a person can spray a crowd with a vehicle. Is that because it's happened time and time again? Both on accident and on purpose. It's not like anyone has ever used an airplane as a weapon either, right?

As for mass murdering with knives I guess you didn't hear about Wu Huanming, or Zheng Minsheng, or Ramon Salcido, or many others.

There are no winners or losers in this. It is what it is. I was merely stating an opinion. You can hate guns all you want. If you don't like them then don't buy one. It's your choice. It's your freedom. It doesn't make you a wuss or a macho man, and though you've been on here much longer than I we can agree on at least one thing - Let's get back to the toys :D


---NT---, You tell me the purpose of a knife in your world. Because from my understanding they've had a pretty long history and much of it has involved KILLING. From Cavemen until today knives have been used for multitude of reasons, mostly though for killing. I wonder what Julius Caesar would think about those harmless little knives? Machetes are pretty handy for carving trails in the jungle, but I wonder how many Rwandans would view them?

Baseball bats are basically a club, AGAIN long history. Again have been used for killing many, many people. As well as the rest of your simplistic views for uses of objects. Guns are a tool. That's all they are. They can be used for good, or they can be used for evil. It's how people teach people to use them. I could give you plenty of examples of all the things I've named being used in murder after murder, but having talked to many people in the past with the view point you just expressed I know I won't be able to change your mind. And personally, I don't care to.

It's amazing though how people only started killing other people when guns were invented, right? :wink:


kichigai, and that was a magnificent 666th post my friend! I think I'll even copy it to word and print it out to hang on my mirror so every morning I can look at it and be in awe of your verbal prowess! I think your inspiring words should be my prize. Sound good?

I could care less when and where you think I can "swim", or your thoughts on my genetics, my ignorance, my relevance, or whatever. For not trying to pick on a fellow board member personally you sure have a grab bag of personal insults to spew. As I stated I was merely writing an opinion. Sorry I didn't bring you cards and candy, but I'm not the type put out on the first date. Next time though, I'll make sure to tell you how pretty you look.

I have a lot of respect for your father for fighting for the freedoms I'm expressing here. Freedoms that we all enjoy in the United States. I'm genuinely sorry to hear of his struggles, but let's not bring war into this because war is a totally different concept then what I'm talking about. My empathy for him though does not detract from the fact that it's not guns that kill people, it's people that kill people. Put a gun on a table in a roomful of people and let me know when it sprouts arms and legs and kills someone. I bet ya though you put some crazy, angry person in a roomful of people and s/he will act first using their hands, or whatever they can get their hands on.

Also, if you were directing me to go out to a major metropolitan police station, E.R., or wherever I don't have to go far, nor to a "major metropolitan area". I live in a semi-rural area where people are victimized all the time. All the time I hear of people being stabbed, robbed, raped, burnt, run over, strangled, shot, killed, etc. The mafia used to be heavy in this area so add car bombs to that equation as well. Hell, the college I go to just had a major shooting incident the other day where many people were shot at a Frat party. So trust me when I say I know guns are not the problem in our society. A couple years ago my friend committed suicide (overdose btw, not a gun) because he was going to be going to jail for running someone over and using his car as a weapon. So I think I have enough experience in this debate to hold my own. I know how fucked up people can be, more so, how people are.

Lastly, I come on this board to look at toys, but there's a bunch of shit that I see come up that isn't toys. Who cares if someone posts a gun? As I originally said, I think it should have gone in the other thread, but that's no reason to get all pissy. For a 'grown ass man' you're acting like a little girl about this. I didn't call anyone out in my OG post. I just mentioned how comical it is to see the gun debate. I'd appreciate the same showing.

I'm done with this now. Good Day!


To get this out of the toy show off...

Once again - your argument is full of shit. Anything can be used to kill, but knives, bats, cars, planes, etc all have primary functions OTHER than killing. The first knife ever made was not made to kill a person. And I HIGHLY doubt that the most common use for a knife (currently or historically) has been to kill - I think it's mostly used for food prep.
And yes, you're correct - a gun is a tool...FOR KILLING. What other use does a gun have? Unless you're Homer Simpson and use your gun to open beer bottles and turn out lights a gun has one purpose and that's to kill. Handguns and automatic weapons are specifically meant to be used against people! I can see an argument for hunting rifles and shotguns, but you don't hunt deer/duck with a .357 or an AK.
I'm not even getting into whether it's good/bad to own guns, just that the arguments for accepting them just like any other "tool" don't hold water. A handgun/automatic is meant to be used against people - that's not something to take lightly.
Also, I'm sure there's no relation to murder rate and gun ownership... :roll: What a got Carl - per capita murder in the UK must be equal to that of the US because if someone is gonna kill someone they're going to do it whether they have a gun or not, right?

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per capita murder in the UK must be equal to that of the US because if someone is gonna kill someone they're going to do it whether they have a gun or not, right?

As believable as anything is on the internetz . . . apparantly not.

Statistics show the USA as the 24th highest Murder rate per capita with 0.042802 per 1,000 people and the UK way down the pecking order at 46 with only 0.0140633 per 1,000 people.

If this is in no way related to the accessibility of guns then maybe it relates to how fuckin' psychotic Americans are in comparison to Brits! :D

Info from: http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_m ... per-capita

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:lol: damn T why you gotta make me blow coffee through my nose posting pics like that!


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I'll represent myself.


jaysea420 wrote:
Wow, some of ya'all really need to take some Midol and chill


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Sorry I didn't bring you cards and candy, but I'm not the type put out on the first date. Next time though, I'll make sure to tell you how pretty you look.


jaysea420 wrote:
I think I have enough experience in this debate to hold my own. I know how fucked up people can be, more so, how people are.


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For a 'grown ass man' you're acting like a little girl about this.


i take it all back jaysea420, you are not ignorant at all. infact after reading your retortion its clear by your own defense you are exactly as NT said, an idiot. anyone who resorts to using shitspeak that outright insults and degrades females is not worth being a member here. FYI there are a good number of females on this board, of which i am friends with several everyone of them deserves respect. if you actually WANT to be a member here i would suggest growing some balls and offer an appology to them publically ASAP.

my own skin i reside in is as thick as a crocodile from lifes lessons so i can take anything said to me personally without a change in respiration but I ask that ALL mods and owners of this forum to privately review the facts here and make a call set an example otherwise this board may well lose INTEGRITY. If HMS was banned for his 'words' than this here idiot should not be permitted to post again based on the offensive nature his own words quoted above. he could have chose any words he wanted.. he chose to be an idiot not worth being here.

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Guitar Hero? Who the fuck poses with Guitar Hero remote controls!?!

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If HMS was banned for his 'words' ...

Seriously! Now that Glenn is gone can't Scott's account be reactivated (again). :x

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guns, no guns, a couple guns...I don't like the "tool" argument either. that always seems to come up. someone once said to me "people hit people with cars too, so should we ban those as well?" ...OK for someone who does a lot of target shooting, you sure as hell missed the point here. If you lika-d'gun, cool--but don't try to make it sound like it's a cupholder. as a gun-lover I would expect you to have a little more respect for your "tool". I mean, try getting someone to hand over their car and wallet or their mate with a cupholder or a pair of scissors.
I think it would be nice to see some more gun control. Like if you wanted a gun for protection, maybe the gov't could issue one...nothing crazy--but we're already too deep in the muck for that, so I'm dreaming. I thought about getting one for protection at some point--but I'd sooner just get a taser or something along those lines.

I think that when you die, that's it. so I don't want to make a permanent decision about a temporary situation when it comes to another life. That's me. If you mess with me or my family I'll definitely f*ck you up though. but the way stuff goes these days with shootings and what have you I definitely think we could do some good with less of them around, or without them all together. I don't think that'll happen in my lifetime though.

so yeah, I don't necessarily want them BANNED but I would like to see some changes.

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If HMS was banned for his 'words' ...

Seriously! Now that Glenn is gone can't Scott's account be reactivated (again). :x

I'm sure it could but I get the feeling Scott ain't too bothered!

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Guitar Hero? Who the fuck poses with Guitar Hero remote controls!?!

Let's get it right...Guitar Hero and Rock Band. ;)

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Guitar Hero? Who the fuck poses with Guitar Hero remote controls!?!

Let's get it right...Guitar Hero and Rock Band. ;)

Ha ha, whatever! It's not like they're nice Strats or LPs to be proud of. (And the "LP" - at least I'm assuming it's suppose to be an LP - looks more like a Nighthawk!)

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OHMYFUCKINGGOD! Seriously? I hate this board more and more. Not because someone's showing pics of guns but because it couldn't just be a simple "is not toy- does not belong" post, it had to be some long, annoying, boring social debate full of bullshit. Even in the "whatever" section it's stupid, I don't care what side of any arguments anyone is on, it's stupid. But look, it's really here, and almost totally for the purpose of arguing about it.

I also hate Guitar Hero and Rockband but it's because I'm bitter that I suck at them.

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I also hate Guitar Hero and Rockband but it's because I'm bitter that I suck at them.

More reason you should get your ass to SDCC . . . . I'm sure Mr Kent-Smith will be along with a link soon! :D

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OHMYFUCKINGGOD! Seriously? I hate this board more and more. But look, it's really here, and almost totally for the purpose of arguing about it.

Sorry, I felt like arguing.

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LOL!!! Are you serious? You really started a thread about this? :roll:

Since you went through the hassle of starting one I'll give it some thought and respond in a bit. I have some errands to do first though.


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I try to get away from all this bullshit during the day, This is a place i can relax and forget about my normal life for an extent and I'm sure it is for other members as well! vintage kaiju love all around :mrgreen:

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I also hate Guitar Hero and Rockband but it's because I'm bitter that I suck at them.

Hahaha...I love RB, and if I was going to SDCC, I'd meet up with people just to play it. Still no RB3 for me. I might get it just to get back into playing bass.

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you play bass, Bert? I dabble a bit myself. did you see that peavey bass someone posted a pic of recently? do you play electric or upright?

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Oh man, I can't wait til I have some time to dedicate to this thread :wink:

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LOL!!! Are you serious? You really started a thread about this? :roll:

LOL. Yeah, I'm serious. Maybe if your argument was compelling rather than a big pile of crap I wouldn't have. I just hate really piss poor arguments - this is more about your shit argument than it is about whether I'm for or against guns (that's pretty pointless because at this point there's no going back...we're stuck with guns in the hands of the responsible, irresponsible, intelligent and idiotic).

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I try to get away from all this bullshit during the day, This is a place i can relax and forget about my normal life for an extent and I'm sure it is for other members as well! vintage kaiju love all around :mrgreen:



Yes, yes, a thousand times yes. No fucking political threads, please.

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I try to get away from all this bullshit during the day, This is a place i can relax and forget about my normal life for an extent and I'm sure it is for other members as well! vintage kaiju love all around :mrgreen:



Yes, yes, a thousand times yes. No fucking political threads, please.


i concur. please delete... i have no interest with issues like this creating noise in this forum. although i don't mind an occasional debate, gun issues in particular is one where both sides can be extremely passionate and i prefer it not be touched.

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you play bass, Bert? I dabble a bit myself. did you see that peavey bass someone posted a pic of recently? do you play electric or upright?

I have an old Ibanez Roadstar 2. I think it came out in 1984 for around $200. I got it in the early 1990's for $200 and I've had it ever since. Long hours spent tweaking the neck to my liking but I haven't picked it up in a long time. I can't even walk a scale anymore. Plus the neighbors complain when I plug in. :(
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