ikkashinju! kozik! gargamel & super 7 rules!

I don't suppose there are any other OG SF punk folks here are there?

 

I'm og from LA/SF Valley but I do remember going to some shows at Gilman St. in the late 80's when I was 14 on the greyhound. My fave was this one fest with Operation Ivy,Crimpshrine,Isocracy,Sweet Baby Jesus,Corrupted Morals,Sewer Trout,Strikky,+ more. I regret never seeing the Yeastie Girlz though.

If you talking old school punk from SF we need to talk about the SF Underground compilations and the Not so Quiet on the Western Front 2x lp comp with the booklet. The booklet also important as it was also Maximum Rocknroll #0!!! Also the book Fucked Up And Photocopied has some great and informative flyers and writings on the SF underground scene.

My fave SF record EVER will always be the Flipper "Generic Flipper" LP!!!

 

Xoco,
Did you ever go to any shows at the On Broadway back in the day? (Right above the Mab). Man, that was a gorgeous old theater. The Mab was fun, too, but there was something about seeing punk bands in the On Broadway's more "elegant" atmosphere that made it all the more cool.

 

Damn, Keith....I keep forgetting you're on here. I know I've said it before, but I loved you guys growing up in Milwaukee...

 

Yeah KJB although IIRC I didn't get to the On Broadway until pretty late in the game. I remember seeing Bad Religion there as well as The Salvation Army before they became the Three O'Clock. Also some "No Wave" bands ... Ping Pong and DNA with Arto, Ikue Mori and the bass player from Pere Ubu. Totally agree about the more elegant setting. The contrast between the theater and the audience was great. Some of the places that bands played back then would never be allowed to operate now. Total fire traps.

I was technically too young to get into shows but people were rarely carded back then, and it helped that I had slightly older acquaintances in the band Crime, who would tell the bouncer I was a roadie if there was any question. I knew them via high school pals including that numbered guy who was in the original DK's and Mike Lucas, later of Phantom Surfers.

I mostly saw stuff at The Deaf Club, Valencia Tool'n'Die, Geary Temple (next door to the People's Temple!) this stupid place called The Back D.O.R. and most of all the Savoy Tivoli. Crime may be the best-remembered of the bands I liked back then although I also saw several Mutants, Vs., Pink Section, Tuxedomoon, and unavoidably Pearl Harbor shows. Some of the bands I thought were great aren't remembered at all like Ultrasheen and The Soul Rebels. I never saw the Nuns or the Dils unfortunately, but at least got to see the great Avengers as well as early shows by better known acts that came through town like Gang of Four, P.I.L., Talking Heads when they were still awkward and Siouxsie when she was still punk ("Scream" tour.) Oh yeah, also early Blondie with of all people Robert Fripp playing along. Also Flipper a little later. Loved Flipper but I got beat up by skinheads at one of their shows ... I think that one was at The Farm. After the show, the skinheads offered me a joint LOL ... I think it was a "no hard feelings" thing. Oh yeah, Young Marble Giants with Cabaret Voltaire ... that was fun.

I was at the first Circle Jerks show in S.F. ... opening band was C'est La Guerre, and technically, the Jerks were opening for The Mentors. Hank Rank and his wife Carola threw a party at their "Complex" (where they still live today) for the Mentors afterwards. Keith from Circle Jerks was very drunk and threw up on my shoes. Carola wouldn't let El Duce from the Mentors sit on her furniture before covering it with plastic LOL. He was only wearing filthy briefs.

Slightly embarassed to admit that I was more into the artsy punk stuff, but that's what early SF punk was largely like back then. I loved The Residents and later befriended one, also their pal Snakefinger. It took me awhile to accept that L.A. had taken over the California scene by '82 or so but once I accepted all that, really liked the LA bands too of course. I spent some time in LA in '83 when a lot of neo mod and neo psychedelic stuff was going on. Green on Red, Dream Syndicate etc. (I know ... they were San Diego, but we in NorCal sort of mix SD and LA up.)

Unfortunately I didn't see many Gilman shows, and only remember the last one, a sort of obscure non-punk band called Baldo Rex. Some chick dropped hot coffee on my crotch at that show which is probably why I remember it. Ouch.

 

being in fresno (after 1984 anyway) - SF was a very close scene to us.

my band actually played at Gilman with Bad Religion...Maybe '87ish.

great show.

even by that time a few of the BR's dopes had rolex's. nice!

i was also around in LA watching the TSOL type people ruining the hollywood punk scene and i loved it! fresno people in SF? that was funny too!

 

"SB'ers vs. CP'ers"

suffice it to say that i've been collecting kaiju - and have a much deeper collection then any of you kooks chiming in today. i have an interest as a collector to be here booger eaters.

what's a CP? what have you done? (aside from tell people how and where to post?)

if you don't like it...call me...we can hang out...i travel around the US quite a bit and am of course close to LA, SD or SF.

559-623-6009

 

Speaking of Kooks I just bought about 50 issues of Big Brother skateboard magazine the other day, I will almost have the whole series now! I still desperatly need a few of the older issues though, especially the cereal box issue, and the guy I'm buying them from needs some of the issue 7 cover variants, so if anyone is sitting on some of that, hit a kook up.

 

Just out of curiosity what band were you in? I am a big punk/hardcore freak and I love the learn all the time.
Also,on a side note,are you the guy who does the Circus Punks??? If so I need a Pushead circus Punk at a killer price(please).

 

Ok.....let's all pull it out and measure.....

 

hillsy...just another dick on a message board.

lemme say in all sincerity....and if you wanna argue with me after i say this then cool - but remember - it's easy to be a cock from keyboard.

here's my point: every single time i log into a toy message board somebody is pissing on somebody else's parade for some unknown (non) reason and it's sickening. this is a good hobby - just let people post in the wrong areas here and there. let them collect dunneezz if they want. give 'em a break. we were all new at some point and most of the a-holes in this thread are johnny come lately's anyway. if you wanna argue still cool.

it's hard to believe that you can't even type the real spelling of a dunneee on this board without it being altered to (expletive) or something...funny but dumb. (no i don't collect [expletive deleted]'s - never have) although since i have a complete biskup toy collection i do have one big dunneee and one small.

hardcore band? nah. i was in a band that the best we ever did was get props on the beastie boys "paul's boutique" - they called us out in a song and mentioned FRESNO too - we were a bunch of fuck-ups that wanted to have fun but were up for trouble too. there were probably 10 of us in the band at any given time - vincentvan-go-go was the name - hardcore and hip-hop mixture. not like limp bizkit - more like early B Boys i reckon.

along with myself members included various murders and drug dealers (on and off) people from fang, capitol punishment, attitude adjustment, s.a.d. boyz, special forces etc.

good deal on a pushead CP....??? you kidding? you think those things just grow on trees? i don't keep stuff back brother. i am fair about this stuff. i keep one for myself and sell 'em all - upon release - for actual retail so i can't help unfortunately. i will say that i love pushead though...another dude i've communicated with (via hardcore) on and off for 27 years now!

 

If you got any mp3's or even better any tapes or records i'd be down to buy a couple of things to give it a listen to. All those bands you mentioned that had to do with your thing were a bunch of fuck ups...hell the singer of Fang was convicted of murder,right? Anyways past is past and I'm cool with whatever.
I want to talk to you more but I hate to call and not have a name.
PM me if you want so I know who you are.
As for the Pushead CP I love that thing but $$$ is tight. What was the retail on that thing??? I know someone is selling one on here right now and I collect Pushead shit from all around the spectrum.

 

Pot...meet kettle.

 

hey ikk!

yeah! total, total, total fuck-ups. after growing up in ESCO VIEJO with my fellow SANTOS bretheren (don't ask but a bunch of us punkers turned into cholos) anyway I moved to Fresno in '84 and it was on.

i thought SD was violent (it was) but fresno hit me square in the face with violence, drugs - you name it. murder raps were (are) literally common amongst that big 'ol group of punkers (the fresno / bay area punkers anyway).

me? i was a bit different...i worked...at that time i didn't drink too much (none for years now tho) - i did shows, put out records (even turned down a fucking green day single!). it was definately fun man.

unfortunately i left that phone at work so it'll have to be after the weekend for me to get to it.

i don't really know how to download songs from the internet and the way things are going (INSANE BUSY) with family, corporate work, toy collecting and sick parents i don't see learning anytime soon.

although i was never a fan of "blood and guts punk rock" - i preferred straight forward california hardcore - i did pick up today the 30th anniversary copy of the never mind the bollocks LP...just like the original press! yellow cover and includes the submission (one sided 7") and the poster...awesome!

i'm gonna go check out some posts now...gotta see what s7 and gargamel are up to...maybe run into a post or two telling me what toys are cool and what's not. [expletive deleted] RULE!

'till next time...till next thread - over and out.

 

Wow, I go on vacation in Maui for a week, and both Geo AND CP Paul go nuts while I'm away... life isn't fair...

 

Damn...Maui. I'd be jealous, but I made old, young, white, black, handsome, and irrational's sig, so it ain't all bad. I think he wants me to call him, too......

 

I regret ever hearing the yeastie girlz. Actually the songs on the turn it around comp weren't horrible but everything else I heard was. The gimmick was better than the music.

 

Interesting that Frank was raised in part in Toledo. He's discussed his interest in intersecting worlds/concepts, etc. I've always been fascinated by divisions, which may just be another way of looking at a similar thing.

For instance, people talk about whether CA should be divided into two states, you see the NorCal and SoCal stickers everywhere. (Though I've recently thought a vertical line might be a more logical division - the coastal/urban people within about 30-40 miles of the coast in one state, the inlanders in another.) Toledo seems to have two divisions, both odd.

First, Toledo has a clear division by the clock. Toledo between 9AM and 6PM is a completely different town than it is at night. It's an ancient walled town set in an oxbow of the river Tajo, and it is a) close enough to Madrid and b) small/ancient enough that it has relatively few hotels, particularly no big Americanized ones. As a result of these two things (and the history and beauty) it is invaded, every single day, by teeming hordes of tourists on bus excursions from Madrid. Literally tens of thousands of the 'Day Trippers' descend on the town in giant buses - The population is only 75,000, and I bet they get another 75,000 tourists on busy summer days. But, as soon as the last bus pulls out in the afternoon, it's like the city opens up - families out for their evening walk (paseo), everyone smiling, it reverts to feeling like a 'real' town instead of like a machine designed to efficiently extract tourism dollars.

Second, Toledo seems to also have a 'horizontal' division - it's as though the ground floor of the entire town has been devoted to retail. Because their natural resource is tourists, ground floor space is often devoted to cafes, selling trinkets, etc. Immediately above the ground floor though, it's as though all that distasteful commerce below doesn't exist - People live their lives much as they have always done, hang out their windows and chat with their neighbors, have big noisy family dinners, etc. (Tourism is nothing new to Toledo - Religious pilgrims have been going there for over 1000 years.) Toledo historically was the center of Spanish swordmaking - The Moorish/Islamic community brought the miracle of Damascene steel from Damascus (which despite the name, was not the origin of the raw steel, it was just the farthest east that non-Muslims were generally allowed to trade - raw 'Damascus' steel actually came from India.) One other division is largely historical - Toledo was a place where Christians, Muslims and Jews all lived together (the tolerant period of Muslim rule was known as La Convivienca, which ended when the Christians threw the ruling Muslims out in the 11thC ... and the Inquisition took care of the Jews) and was the capital of Spain until the 1500s, and as a result there are ancient churches, synagogues and mosques - all three have a long history there.

Anyway, I was just intrigued to hear that Frank was raised in part there. Maybe there is some tie between that 'divided' upbringing and Frank's famous comments about his work exploring the intersection between genius and stupidity. Or, maybe not ...

CC

Toledo -

 

damn!! i never imagined Ohio to look like that!!