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Discussion in 'Japan Toys' started by JAY, May 5, 2008.

  1. xSuicide Squadx

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    I'd have to agree. Once the toy is in the handler's possession it can easily be sold for one price, and told it was sold for another to the artist. I wouldn't go so far as to say Target Earth is along for the ride.
     
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    Something similar happened with a pair of Rees. Bids go up to about $400, then it's relisted for almost the same exact price BIN. Maybe some shill bidding going on...
     
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    You know a guy is shady as shit when he needs all these different aliases... :|
    I've seen those Siccaluna toys go for around 2500-6000 yen on Mandarake, and he's asking for $90? No, fuck that.

    Also yeah, those posts were quite advertisey. Kind of like saying "hey look at these, you know where to find them, wink wink!" since there was no caption, just picture posts... And this isn't the share your collection section. :?

    Shaaaaady.
     
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    ^ No caption, but they were hotlinked to his sales thread Flickr feed, where all of the juicy specifics and detailed payment instructions are tidily offered up in the description. I say 'were,' ha, as I just noticed that he edited out the click the pic to link code not twenty minutes ago! Too funny.

    Martoy, if you're listening, you forgot to edit out the link on your Dump Golem billboard.
     
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    I'm listening guys. Its really my intention to make everybody happy and enjoy collecting toys.
     
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    "Its really my intention to make everybody broke as hell and enjoy collecting toys"
     
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    Oh, I wouldn't say that, Glen. If someone can spend that much money on a toy, well, they can. If you want to refashion his statement a bit I think it should go a little more like, "I'm studying you guys. It's really my intention to make a healthy profit off the backs of independent toy makers by exploiting those who enjoy collecting toys."

    Or something.
     
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    Perfect reimagining of his statement, David.
     
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    Screw all toy stores, bodega's and gallery's for making a profit.. I hate those corporate bastards not contributing anything and just marking up toys they did not make..

    For exclusive releases I offer 2 type of deals. Percentage of sales or payed in advance.
    If we decide on a percentage, we decide sales price together.
    If we decide on payed in advance I am free to mark how I see fit.

    There are plenty of great toys available everywhere on a daily basis... If you think something I have for sale is to expensive. Do not buy it, email me for a better price or buy something else.
     
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    So how do you explain cancelled auctions and re-listing for an inflated BIN?
     
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    Cancelled auctions for stuff that is not for sale anymore. Relisted auctions for stuff that was not payed. Its really that simple.

    Ebay sales are only fractional movement in my private collection. I can mark however I see fit. This is the endless debate where some people want me to mark stuff that dropped in value accordingly and stuff that raised in value at retail.
     
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    "Buyer that outbid you won more stuff.. He asked for the size of the walking cadaver and said he did not know it was so small and asked if he could cancel.. I agreed to this and relisted at $300. If you still want it I can ship it to you for $200."

    This was the explanation he gave me. Bullshit or legitimate, I simply said "No thank you" and decided to buy something else.
     
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    Okay, let's just keep this to TE discussion here shall we?

    As far as posting this, for me it comes down to whether this is a sanctioned - i.e. directly collaborated - sale with Target Earth, in which case advertising and selling through flickr is a bit understandably confusing (nevermind the board connections), or whether this amounts to custom work being offered based on an individual production from TE. In the latter situation, posting this here is completely off the books and really has no association with TE other than being the maker of the original figures; in which case what we are talking about amounts to essentially a sale of customs/micro run by an artist, and should be made clear as such, and should not be posted in the TE discussion thread.
     
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    You're right Ultra. I'll offer my apologies for such a heavy derail.

    I will say I would've liked to see more open vinyl and less sprays on these one offs. Grey base vinyl for the Golem sounds pretty nice. On the bodies at least. The one with the red metallic face is probably my favorite.
     
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    I prefer the aps on the Dump Golems. The simpler color palette and spray patterns allow the grey base to shine a bit more, and accent the sculpt quite nicely, whereas the Lowbrows just look drowned in metallics to me.

    As for the derail, well, Mr. Black started it by discretely posting links to his current shop offerings here. If he had posted the pictures after the toys had been sold, fine. If he had mentioned that the images were of small batch runs of these toys that he was selling, and would we please click through if we're interested, someone here might have cried foul, but at least it would have been an upfront way to go about it. The ensuing discussion - yes, after I called out what I thought I was seeing - struck me as being almost entirely on point and appropriate; the body releases white blood cells to combat infectious disease and foreign invaders. If anything it was like a little bit of fresh air, considering how this thread has been developing of late, with the negativity being directed at the carpetbagger instead of the manufacturer of carpets for once.
     
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    I'm not a big fan of carpets either, personally. All they do is get dirty!
     
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    Just some thoughts on these from a long time fan of TE and Mr. Sato...

    Not sure what the motivation was to make these now but they are what they are.

    I admit I have no idea what you paid for these but retail is over 3X retail of the Japan version.

    IMHO doing a release like this hurts TE brand as it goes against TE made to order sales model.

    Please don't read that as an attack it is not, I just can't afford to pay that kinda price.

    The whole lottery idea with these also is really off compared to TE preorder sales methods.

    All the blogs that are covering these seem to be promoting you KM versus TE as well...

    So why not just make a toy of your own at this point to market them your way/methods?

    I have been collecting TE for over a decade and greatly love the availability of that brand.

    It would have been nicer to see a more reasonable price point that keeps within TE standards.

    But as I said I have no idea what the cost was nor other factors to produce these dolls.

    I also still think the original releases of these dolls by Mr. Sato look much much better:

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    I am just curious about a few things with these exclusives so figured I would just ask here:

    Did you say Mr. Sato painted these? If not then who painted these?

    Dappun looks like his paints but these big Golem seem much different to his paint style.

    I guess if you or anyone has the funds to do exclusives with TE (and others)
    honestly I would have rather seen you produce a new sculpt or any of the
    dozen or so unproduced TE sculpts/characters.

    The Daikyo type version of Bagun would be sooooo stellar:

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    Shame with that weird dream intruder... "Desuman" never getting made.

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    Was looking forward to that doll since it is same size as Turkey Phantom...

    Hoping to see this finally released in the Fall:

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    Time will tell.......
     
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    All I know is that I love that doofy grin on the Bagun. Seriously, the doofiest. Makes me want one more, because he looks like a little kid imagining himself smashing buildings.
     
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    We are really on the same page with this stuff. I really just think the 'sale' mentioned need specific clarification and how it related to TE/justification for the custom and price point. As you said, it was not what most fans come to expect from TE.
    Without a doubt, the original release is far and away my favourite, and a huge standout in style and execution.

    THAT is something I would love to see as well. Bagun is a delight, and I think the paint style would really work on him giving him that excellent 'vintage' pachi monster feel. Not that the recent stuff is very good, but I do miss the earlier days of TE doing more of the vintage and classic characters.

    I still hold out some hope we might see this from TE. The projects are coming fast and furious, which is great new of course for TE fans, but I do hope that he can find some time to come back to some of the originals, as well as vintage style pachi guys, because I really want to see these made. It is a creative well that never runs dry. Desuman is great as an idea and that test version, and I am always excited for what TE can come up with in the future.
     
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    Yes, painted and signed by Mr. Sato.

    I placed an order for an exclusive release of This Man and Plague Doctor in the beginning of February. Expected delivery was the end of May. But as usual production is delayed.
     
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    One of a kind work by Mr. Sato is obviously much more expensive.

    I do not see how this hurts the TE brand. Look at it as just an addition to how TE sells his toys. He offers all his usual pre-orders himself at very fair prices and available to everyone. In addition to that he now offers special releases and one of a kind work in limited quantity's through KaijuMonsteR.

    Not sure how this relates but I am doing this also.
     
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    Thanks for the replies. Those pics you just posted do look much nicer!

    I agree and disagree on some points and as you said, you can charge what you like.

    My point is mainly jumping into or pushing the price point to that level isolates fans.

    As a fan I do not want to see TE products turn into the money game that goes on with:

    HXS, Pushead & the NNN circle where many folks like the dolls but few own and less keep.

    Case in point the Brutal A that retailed for $180 (I think) and now just a few months later
    is on a certain site going for 10X that with days to go.......

    The dolls become financial investments rather than being enjoyed as sculptural entities.

    I do not disagree Mr. Sato should get more exposure, he is a Sofvi Master!

    Quite happy to hear the Desuman will finally be made along with some of the others.

    Can you post pics of the foot with the Autograph?
     
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    One offs are sold at a premium by a variety of respected makers...looking at this objectively on the surface and not knowing the particulars,
    I don't see any serious issue.

    The paints look good and consistent with Sato's style on other one- offs I have seen/owned, such as custom faceless bulls.

    If Sato continues offering most releases in the affordable preorder fashion, then what is the problem, really? Aside from posting sales links in the thread.

    Me personally, I like the paints a lot but not the sculpt.
     
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    I don't have any issues with KM to be clear on that. He answered my questions.

    I am honestly glad someone besides myself takes some initiative to work with TE.

    If working on these dolls affords Mr. Sato more opportunities - that alone is great!

    TE deserves much more respect than Mr. Sato gets on here. Disagree? Fuck Off.

    If you do not like TE, find something that you do enjoy- life is shorter than most care to realize.

    After KM explained and answered my questions I think that the price points are still high but are by no means invalid.

    If the KM exclusives are based on more exotic applications and are centric to 1 offs then there should be a place for the results to be shared.

    If these particular dolls are not promoted or welcomed on here, then where?

    In part not many folks here seem to know how hard it is to commission anything, the wait is endless.

    The money made is pocket change at best and usually applied to more productions.

    Too often if a person has a negative opinion here, folks bite on that and ride it out with nothing to add to the TE thread.

    How many pages on SB are nothing but opinions? How many photos are in the volume of pages?

    My only point in starting to post again is to engage in valid discussions of TE.

    There is no other Monsters related board that covers TE so regardless of opinions which all are entitled to, at the end of the day-

    Is this place about a mutual love of Monsters, Japanese ones in particular or is this just to become a gated community of trolls?
     

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