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rhinomilk
Vintage
Joined: Sun Apr 09, 2006 4:15 pm Posts: 7136 Location: Bay Area
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Just curious
me personally... as long the stuff that comes out looks cool, then it's all good. But i can honestly say I like things "limited" and "exclusive" thrown out once in awhile... because hunting and trading is half the fun IMO.
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Thu Oct 26, 2006 6:15 pm |
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havingmysay
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i want it all but cant afford it all so i have to be a little picky and choosy
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Thu Oct 26, 2006 6:19 pm |
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LamourSupreme
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Joined: Sat Mar 25, 2006 5:19 pm Posts: 4010 Location: now
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more choices for your everyday collector, but I think in the long run, or short, they will burn out their audience. The japanese vynil collectors are minorities in the toy collecting market. They will be easily burnt if the Japanese toy makers try to do what the western toy makers do. Ramping production doesn't necessarily mean company growth. The market would not bear this type of growth and in the long run, demand might wane. It's a big gamble on the part of the Japanese toy makers.
In the end, I could care less because I was never a completist anyway and buy toys because I need something to play with.
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Thu Oct 26, 2006 7:26 pm |
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Super Deformed
Joined: Tue Feb 21, 2006 2:51 pm Posts: 5615 Location: PDX
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If I were a completist - or even just collected more than I do - I couldn't imagine trying to keep up if every month is like this October has been. If every month was like October it would turn me away. Luckily I only buy SkullBrains, and even then I just pick and choose the ones I like.
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Thu Oct 26, 2006 7:34 pm |
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moriachi
Line of Credit
Joined: Sun Oct 16, 2005 7:10 pm Posts: 1979 Location: Melbourne, Australia
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I think you have to worry about Creator burnout and quality issues mostly. Individually the producers are putting out a lot of releases and all of a sudden every Tom Dick and Harry store is getting an exclusive release.
With so much product needing to be produced it's inevitable that quality would drop and ideas become stale.
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Thu Oct 26, 2006 8:04 pm |
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SHAPESHIFTA
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Joined: Fri Oct 21, 2005 8:57 pm Posts: 1142 Location: Seattle the Emerald City
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I love to be able to choose, but I will alway's go for figures I know are more limited PERIOD ! This Oct. has has seen so many releases that I don't think anyone can really keep up unless they have some kinda discount connection. I just don't think it's normal to drop so much doe on vinyl every week for most people. Sooner or later a little voice will say wait a minte here.Money wise I think it just depends on the individual and what thier bank account or credit card statement looks like.The toys are all good and fun, but a $100 here and there starts to add up after awhile.
I have actualy been passing on alot of items this month because I just can't afford all of them at once. There are a few items i'm waiting on and thats it for me. Man i'm kinda hoping Nov.-Dec. are kinda slow on the release schedule. But I also gotta admit, it bugs me that I can't just afford them all. It would sure be nice if these figs averaged like $25 or $30 bucks a pop ! INDEED !
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Thu Oct 26, 2006 8:19 pm |
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Joe Bunny
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Joined: Thu Aug 17, 2006 10:33 am Posts: 1204 Location: san francisco
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More toys is always good. My money bags are filled with lin. I'm broke and it sucks when I see all these great toys coming out, I'm always weary of busting out the credit card though..it can get out of control.
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Fri Oct 27, 2006 8:44 am |
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JHOTTROD
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Joined: Mon Oct 17, 2005 4:14 am Posts: 2902 Location: Nowhere NY
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At first i was torn but quickly started loving the fact we have a plethora of choices available to us..Maybe can't get every fig but turn around and theres something esle thats just as killer readly available..Loads of great stuff coming out!!
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Fri Oct 27, 2006 8:56 am |
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locomoto566
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Joined: Sun Jan 01, 2006 3:00 pm Posts: 5466 Location: right behind you
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I think it's great to have more toys, it makes missing out on a release not so painful coz you know something else kick ass is going to come out in a second. It also gives you the opportunity to hunt down some new faves before some jackass hypes'em up and screws up the market. How many of us wanted a Bemon or Gogamezilla three months ago? How many want one now? Good Luck.
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Fri Oct 27, 2006 9:07 am |
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havingmysay
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locomoto566 wrote: How many of us wanted a Bemon or Gogamezilla three months ago?
<------ this guy.
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Fri Oct 27, 2006 9:08 am |
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devilboy
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Joined: Tue Apr 04, 2006 6:44 pm Posts: 4644 Location: HELL
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not as much fun. i see the JP market turning more western and i've had enough KR drama to last me a while. i've heard it before...blah...blah...business...blah...blah...money but there is something to be said for the low run, hand done, artistic touch to the neo kaiju that has exhisted until now. i really don't know how it will effect me in the long run but i have become way more focused right now. only time will tell.
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Fri Oct 27, 2006 10:14 am |
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Joined: Tue Feb 21, 2006 2:51 pm Posts: 5615 Location: PDX
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What I find interesting is that is seems SB, RxH, etc have been successful up to this point. I can understand that they'd like to make even more money - but it's not like they AREN'T making money with their current and past release schedule.
I don't buy the idea that these things aren't profitable unless you ramp-up production. Maybe you won't become wealthy, but they've gotta be profitable.
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Fri Oct 27, 2006 10:33 am |
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newera84
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Joined: Mon Oct 09, 2006 10:50 pm Posts: 226
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am pretty new to jp vinyl.. just picked up my first sb 2 weeks ago.. right now for me its getting overwhelming.. sb releases, and new BxH colorway.. but for me i like that i can pick a chose the ones i like and afford..
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Fri Oct 27, 2006 10:41 am |
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SHAPESHIFTA
Comment King
Joined: Fri Oct 21, 2005 8:57 pm Posts: 1142 Location: Seattle the Emerald City
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I wonder what the cost factor is for the amount of plastic per item ? Plus figure in that these molds are being re-used over and over on a grand scale ! Of course there is a big profit.
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Fri Oct 27, 2006 11:37 am |
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Count
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Joined: Fri Oct 21, 2005 11:24 am Posts: 2928 Location: Canada
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Who gives a fuck!?
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Fri Oct 27, 2006 1:21 pm |
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bigstar13
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Joined: Thu Nov 03, 2005 10:28 am Posts: 1513 Location: 1/2 way
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LamourSupreme wrote: more choices for your everyday collector, but I think in the long run, or short, they will burn out their audience. The japanese vynil collectors are minorities in the toy collecting market. They will be easily burnt if the Japanese toy makers try to do what the western toy makers do. Ramping production doesn't necessarily mean company growth. The market would not bear this type of growth and in the long run, demand might wane. It's a big gamble on the part of the Japanese toy makers. In the end, I could care less because I was never a completist anyway and buy toys because I need something to play with.
You've nailed it.
This halloween has been insane. Way, way too much for me personally.
I've missed quite a few of the last Super 7 releases because of limited runs and that's ok by me, it's all part fo the game. Add them to the long list of figures I want but don't have LOL.
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Fri Oct 27, 2006 2:00 pm |
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Frank Kozik
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Joined: Sat Oct 22, 2005 8:53 pm Posts: 4668
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[quote="SHAPESHIFTA"]I wonder what the cost factor is for the amount of plastic per item ? Plus figure in that these molds are being re-used over and over on a grand scale ! Of course there is a big profit.[/quot
well..on top of unit cost ( id say maybe 10-15 dollars each) theres all of this that needs covered as well:
employee/owner living wages
rent for shop
msc operating costs ( utilities.phones. shipping,taxes,event fees and transport costs etc etc etc)
its not just making a toy.
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Fri Oct 27, 2006 2:59 pm |
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Frank Kozik
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Joined: Sat Oct 22, 2005 8:53 pm Posts: 4668
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hypothetical costs to be a small Japanese Toy Company
with 1 full time owner.operator:
living wages: 50.000 per year
rent for shop space in trendy area: 25,000 per year
Event costs 4 events a year 20.000
operating costs 17,500 a year
cost for sculpting, molds etc 1 figure: 20,000 (1000 pieces)
total lowball cost estimate:sat 120,000 a year
sales of 1000 pieces at wholesale= 25,000
tax on above sales (30% in japan)=9000.00
total return=14,000
net loss first year:106,000
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Fri Oct 27, 2006 3:07 pm |
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rhinomilk
Vintage
Joined: Sun Apr 09, 2006 4:15 pm Posts: 7136 Location: Bay Area
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^ so are these numbers in yen or USD?
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Fri Oct 27, 2006 3:22 pm |
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Frank Kozik
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Joined: Sat Oct 22, 2005 8:53 pm Posts: 4668
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USD
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Fri Oct 27, 2006 3:22 pm |
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rhinomilk
Vintage
Joined: Sun Apr 09, 2006 4:15 pm Posts: 7136 Location: Bay Area
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.. i was just kidding btw...
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Fri Oct 27, 2006 3:23 pm |
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Frank Kozik
Mini Boss
Joined: Sat Oct 22, 2005 8:53 pm Posts: 4668
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vinyl toys dont grow on trees.
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Fri Oct 27, 2006 3:24 pm |
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