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what about re-issues of classic colorways as minis???


If we're talkin like the mini Cats...then hell yeah.


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I don't know if I'd be down with minis of old stuff; because it's something new that no one has, everyone will be on it, flipping it, and whatevering it. Doing a straight-up reissue of an older colorway would help those who don't have one get one.

So I'd be down with reissues. I'm not big on making them slightly different, but that wouldn't stop me from picking them up. I think different header art would be cool, but nothing else--go all the way! I mean, why should they be different otherwise? If you have one already, you'll probably pass or at least should (I mean, if haves are just buying doubles then that would pretty-much boil down to Mori wasting his time in the first place because the have-nots are still not getting what relatively small amount has been made available) but if there was a difference, I think more collectors would feel compelled to pick it up anyway even if they have the originals.

the hunt is for ppl with deep pockets--or at least that's what it looks like to me. Mori is about ppl enjoying his toys, so I think reissues would be a great move. I mean, for the folks who have all the old stuff, reissues would be a waste of time and money, but for guys like me (and there are a lot of them), the reissues would be "new releases" just the same. I don't think RxH should overdo it, but the occasional re-issue would be welcome--especially when they have so many colorways that are long gone. If reissues are taking the magic out of it for you, then mabye you're in it for the wrong reasons? eh..maybe there aren't any "wrong" reasons, but I'm just sayin'.


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Minis = No
Re Issues = Yes (even labelled or branded as such on the reverse . . . a 'classic' series)


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Scary Andy wrote:
Minis = No
Re Issues = Yes (even labelled or branded as such on the reverse . . . a 'classic' series)


Stamped on the foot would be fine for me.


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Maybe re-issues would be cool in like 5-10 years, I just think it's too soon. I mean, to us, they're "old" releases but there's still tons to be done NEW and I would rather the train keep moving even though I missed out on a lot. So it's just too soon in my opinion.

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Maybe re-issues would be cool in like 5-10 years, I just think it's too soon. I mean, to us, they're "old" releases but there's still tons to be done NEW and I would rather the train keep moving even though I missed out on a lot. So it's just too soon in my opinion.

Agreed. Although I love the idea of reissuing some of the near-impossible-to-obtain releases, I have to keep in mind that RxH stuff in general is only a few years old. With that being said, I would not hesitate one bit to pick up some reissues.

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Being a record collector of hardcore/punk vinyl,reissue are a great idea. Basically if either people missed out on it the first time around or got into collecting it kinda late,they still have a newer hope on obtaining something they like. I love to buy bootleg records. The same is not in toys where boots are pieces of shit. They should be marked differently like a "2ND" on the back of a leg or small of the back. I would mos def buy some reissues of some great colorways I never had a chance on getting.
Someone here mentioned a fans choice. This is a great idea and can be done online. With so many options from the past I doubt anyone would be disappointed.


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Damn...I just thought pocket RxH would be cool......


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I don't like the idea of re-issues. Mori hardly seems like a person that's short on ideas so why not focus on the new rather than the old?

I think that for RxH collectors that have been at it since the beginning there needs to be a certain loyalty if you will. Collectors like Glenn for instance, have been on the RxH hunt since the beginning and have worked hard to find the really rare figures that are now part of their collections. To simply re-issue these because there is now a greater demand isn't really fair in my opinion.

I also don't believe that wanting really rare figures to stay limited is a bad thing. Nor is it fair to say that feeling this way means that you are "collecting for the wrong reasons". If a person is devoted to collecting anything I think it takes time and devotion and hunting for that super rare figure, for me anyways, is part of the appeal. I too have become disillusioned at times by the price that certain figures are now selling for but I would rather keep up the hunt than suddenly have all of the original figures dumped into my lap as re-issues.


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Damn...I just thought pocket RxH would be cool......


It would be, I hope those protos we saw come to life one day, but there's time.

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I really don't know why they should be marked. RxH seems to be more about the toys than the collectibility(sp?) aspect of it--I thought that would be the main reason for this move. going out of the way to mark the re-issues is unnecessary IMHO. if anything, marking them would only serve to make me feel like less of an A-hole for overpaying for some of my (even very recent) original releases--hmm..,.I guess that's worth something :lol: but screw it, bring 'em out in all their "original" glory! no differences = no weirdness? and it and would feel cooler when you get one.


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i think tim brought up a lot of good points. there shouldn't be reissues.

and if there were, why wouldn't you mark them? that doesn't make any sense to me. i collected comics for years. there is a difference in say, issue # 1 first printing and issue #1 second printing.
the difference might be subtle, but it's still a different figure.

and in the same area of discussion, the reissues of the vintage figures that come out now..those shouldn't be marked as such?
so all of those hokkukudo releases should be considered the same as the IKB ones? i can only imagine the consequences that would come from a situation like that.

oh and please don't take this comment as any type of degrading snide comment, i'm really intrigued to hear people's thoughts on it and furthering the discussion.

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Yeah, it's not about keeping the old ones worth a lot, it's about keeping new things fresh and moving ahead. Of course there's past figures I want, some I think I can get someday, some NO WAY. But that's ok, cause' there's alway new ones and I've been pretty on getting most of them (rare or common.)

Again, it's about keeping the ship afloat and going into the future. T

he CLOSEST thing I REALLY like near the idea of reissues, is re-using color schemes on different characters. Old Balance Bigaro? Bruised Shinto? Rasta Akro? That way it's a paint scheme we've seen, but fresh cause it's on something new. Take the TT Evil, I LOVE it and I also don't NEED that Chaos from back when to match it. It's pretty close and stands on its own. Mori seems to do that now and than, and I love it. it keeps things fresh AND gives me a taste of something I missed.

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he CLOSEST thing I REALLY like near the idea of reissues, is re-using color schemes on different characters. Old Balance Bigaro? Bruised Shinto? Rasta Akro? That way it's a paint scheme we've seen, but fresh cause it's on something new. Take the TT Evil, I LOVE it and I also don't NEED that Chaos from back when to match it. It's pretty close and stands on its own. Mori seems to do that now and than, and I love it. it keeps things fresh AND gives me a taste of something I missed.


this is a really good point.

For recent releases, I liked the close resemblance of the gold mist evil to the thrashout evil.
I know I'll never own a thrashout evil, but the gold mist will fit the bill nicely. :)

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atease, hey I know you weren't addressing ME specifically, and as someone who has a different viewpoint on this, I don't take any offense in your comments just because you don't agree with me or whoever. I know you were just putting it out there b/c some ppl take a difference in opinion so personally sometimes.

so anyway,

I guess I'm just thinking if I was a toy maker, it wouldn't be important to mark the reissues. that's something collectors would want to duke out, but not me as a toy maker. the only reason I would re-issue would be to get the old figures into new hands at retail prices so that more ppl could enjoy them (and without our friend flipper). marking them would be extra work for me and my staff, and what for? I'd rather just do a different header for it and at least have some fun.


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NO RE-ISSUES please, if it were a must I would hope they are marked or something, it would suck to see somthing for $60 retail that you may have paid out the ass for.

mini re-issues would be cool

all in all put the effort towards new sculpts, new colorways, etc


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This is an interesting discussion, but I wonder if discussions here ever have any influence on Mori at all? I hope not. I don't mean that in a bad way at all. It's just that I appreciate an auteur's vision in general, and Mori's approach to what he's built specifically. In other words, I'm really glad that RxH isn't run by democratic committee.


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fuck reissues. i didn't like it when rumble monsters did it, but i still buy it.

buy the way, if someone from rumble monsters is reading this. please reissue the sakura glow pharaos


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I don't feel the need for reissues. My enjoyment of a good figure does not always have to culminate in physical ownership.

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I don't feel the need for reissues. My enjoyment of a good figure does not always have to culminate in physical ownership.


this is the best statement i have read on this board in a long time.

there are a ton of figures i love but i know i will never own. great observation :)

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1. Love the idea of mini RxH figures in ANY colorway old or new

2. Love the idea of old colorways on different sculps. ie: Astro Z Cat

3. Still want re-issues (marked, un-mark) to get classic colorways into the hands of everyone to enjoy as Mori stated, not just RxH royalty...

4. of course love to see Mori continue with new and interesting colorways ala fruity pebbles chaos, salad chaos, new skittles chaos, etc.

5. wouldn't mind seeing more AKRO and Bigaro though...

just my 2 cents... :D

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akum6n wrote:
I don't feel the need for reissues. My enjoyment of a good figure does not always have to culminate in physical ownership.


+1 I see what you're saying here, and I can relate as there are plenty of great figures that i like, but don't own. sometimes it nice just knowing that they're out there (kind of like beautiful women, they make the world a better place)...but...

toys you own = :D

toys you want to own, but don't own, but have nice pictures of = :) :? :cry:...:) :? :cry:..etc

+1 for xo's comment about our thoughts on the matter staying out of the RxH process. It's fun to just let the man (Mori) do his thing.


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I want a pony now! If you have to have the figure just get someone to make you a bootleg. Blanks cost the same as painted figures so Mori makes the same either way. I guess this would make you more of a consumer than a collector but whatever floats your boat.

The funny thing is RxH's audience grew in parallel with the after market values. My guess is making reissues would kill the after market value and soon after people would be into RxH anymore.


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i agree completely with the following:

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I don't like the idea of re-issues. Mori hardly seems like a person that's short on ideas so why not focus on the new rather than the old?


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mini re-issues would be cool

all in all put the effort towards new sculpts, new colorways, etc


rhinomilk wrote:
fuck reissues. i didn't like it when rumble monsters did it, but i still buy it.


akum6n wrote:
I don't feel the need for reissues. My enjoyment of a good figure does not always have to culminate in physical ownership.


basically,,what is past is history..and should stay that way...

i would much rather see things move forward & let the original releases retain their mystique...

of course,,there are a number of older rXh that i would love to own but like akum6n said,,,it is almost more fun to have them be elusive & admire them from afar...and MAYBE someday be lucky enough to come across one...


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I think this is a great discussion...but there's a lot going on here...

there is very little precendence for something so new as RxH, apart from books being reprinted, being reissued. No artist would ever reissue something that was issued in a set edition. Maybe different size, or spin on something, but never a reissue. That being said, they were never numbered - this is something we as collectors put importance on ourselves - so they were not "set" editions per se.

Also, the idea of doing a reissue would nessecitate (sp) there being some kind of indication of it being one...otherwise there is a breakdown in the chain on an objects "worth" - and this isn't always monetary at all. Some of the most precious things in my collections, - toys, books, records, etc. - aren't worth more than the time (sometimes years) and effort (sometimes bloody) to get it...but it has meaning for me because I found it after a lot of work. It took me almost a decade to find a few records that ended up being reissued by effing GEFFEN not long after. I still love that I found those records...the thrill of the hunt.

I'd love to be able to get all the figures I passed on when RxH was occasionally flowing through New York and no one cared...but I didn't and now I have to deal with that. I'd buy reissues, but they would have to be marked as such...do doubt about that.

ALL that being said, I agree with the folks mentioning Mori's take on this whole thing. I think this is the furthest thing from his mind, not that I know for sure, as he seems to always want to push forward and try new things...and reissues would be WAAAY off that mark. Maybe in 20 years when someone else finds the mook (unless we're all buried with our copies) and starts up some crazy fan club that gets attention, maybe then there will be some reissues...but within 5 years? seems like it would be watering it down...

again, I'd buy them, so I guess that calls a lot of this into question...but it also strikes me as an odd time to want this...there's a lot of good stuff that came out recently...and more coming. I'd take the next new release over a reissue of my favorite figure I can't have any day just cause it's something I've never seen before...but that's me...I also want every bigaro and I only have a handful.

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