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abelincolnjr S7 Royalty Joined: Sat Dec 02, 2006 6:46 pm Posts: 3200 Location: Brooklyn, NY	bryanarchy wrote: Canada made hardcore better. Union of Uranus, aka Uranus (ottawa) - You can either blame them or thank them for bringing more of a thick and heavy metal-tinge to hardcore. not chugs, blame that on someone else. With the band unheard I thought Crucifix and Metallica were the ones who brung the metal to punk and the punk to metal. Are you talking about a different genre of hardcore and metal? Not even being a snarky old dude just curious. _________________ LamourSupreme wrote: he looks like hes got anus hands. Want List: http://www.skullbrain.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=10395 Collection Pics: http://www.skullbrain.org/bb/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=29761 Website: http://www.girlsbike.com
Sat Feb 09, 2008 5:48 am

bryanarchy Illuminati Joined: Fri Feb 03, 2006 5:26 pm Posts: 1244 Location: Edmonton, AB, Canada	Oh, you snarky old dudes.... I'm not talking hardcore in the DRI, or COC-era sense; I'm taking about the time of hardcore from around Youth of Today and on. Prior to bands like Uranus, Earth Crisis, etc, hardcore (IMO) was usually faster, more energetic stuff. These bands slowed the music down a little, added some heavy to it. I agree that metallica did pull certain punk/thrash influences into metal, but i think they were drinking from a different well than the hardcore i'm talking about. You raise a great point though. Everyone has a very different idea of what hardcore is. You look at the bands mentioned in this thread and inevitably, any person is going to question whether or not that band is 'hardcore.' The definition of hardcore is pretty fucking loose but generally is defined in an era in one's own musical development and growth where they've cut the bonds of "i'm into punk, yay?" and moved into a music that is a bit heavier or intense and seems more substantive to them. _________________ Texas is the reason the president's dead. http://www.flickr.com/photos/bryanarchy
Sat Feb 09, 2008 6:02 am

Shirahama Side Dealer Joined: Thu Nov 03, 2005 10:45 pm Posts: 2207	cometdebris wrote: REFUSED "The Shape of Punk to Come", how could I forget that. One of my all time favorties. I guess I do like some new stuff. Some Girls are pretty good too. While were on the subject, does anyone remember Time in Malta? Great Bay Area band I think many have never heard. _________________ INSTAGRAM: shirahamatoy
Sat Feb 09, 2008 6:17 am

abelincolnjr S7 Royalty Joined: Sat Dec 02, 2006 6:46 pm Posts: 3200 Location: Brooklyn, NY	Oh and I change my answer. Who's best Hardcore band? Crucifix _________________ LamourSupreme wrote: he looks like hes got anus hands. Want List: http://www.skullbrain.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=10395 Collection Pics: http://www.skullbrain.org/bb/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=29761 Website: http://www.girlsbike.com
Sat Feb 09, 2008 8:34 am

cometdebris Addicted Joined: Tue Feb 21, 2006 7:59 am Posts: 551 Location: Tokyo	SWING KIDS _________________ http://www.cometdebris.com
Sat Feb 09, 2008 9:07 am

skylar Post Pimp Joined: Tue Nov 29, 2005 11:56 am Posts: 2814 Location: south jersey	cometdebris wrote: SWING KIDS oh come on Koji! everyone knows that's "screamo"
Sat Feb 09, 2008 9:44 am

bryanarchy Illuminati Joined: Fri Feb 03, 2006 5:26 pm Posts: 1244 Location: Edmonton, AB, Canada	cometdebris wrote: SWING KIDS Between this and Refused, you gotta like Nation of Ulysses, right? _________________ Texas is the reason the president's dead. http://www.flickr.com/photos/bryanarchy
Sat Feb 09, 2008 9:57 am

KJB Comment King Joined: Fri Mar 10, 2006 7:07 am Posts: 1337 Location: Milwaukee, WI	bryanarchy wrote: Everyone has a very different idea of what hardcore is. You look at the bands mentioned in this thread and inevitably, any person is going to question whether or not that band is 'hardcore.' The definition of hardcore is pretty fucking loose but generally is defined in an era in one's own musical development and growth where they've cut the bonds of "i'm into punk, yay?" and moved into a music that is a bit heavier or intense and seems more substantive to them. Well said. what I think of as hardcore (DOA, Offenders, Circle Jerks, Germs) probably sounds more like standard rock now, but at the time it was quite radical. (Somehow I think Abe and I are about the same age). However, it only took about two years for HC as a viable term to die - for me, at least - as soon as all of the identikit bands, who listened exclusively to HC, and MRR, SXE-type rules started springing up. I'm not familiar with the majority of the bands being discussed here, but the ones I've heard seem to owe at least as much to metal as they do HC (a trend that, as I recall, started with bands like COC & DRI -not to mention the heineous SSD - who later on turned into full-on metal bands.) But, as Bryan said, it really comes down to when you came of age musically.I'm just glad this hasn't devolved into a "(insert band here) sucks" thread - it's interesting to read peoples' takes on this. _________________ I went there on business
Sat Feb 09, 2008 10:09 am

redhanded Side Dealer Joined: Sun Dec 17, 2006 11:16 pm Posts: 2135	A little late to the thread but my favorites would have to be No for an Answer, Youth of Today, Sacred Denial (the early years), Nations on Fire and probably Negative Approach. Can't just pic one. I had pretty much fell out of the scene about 7 years ago and cashed my chips in for noise/experimental stuff which I always liked. Everything got too metal for me, no heart and annoying lectures from bands on how high school is rough. Not as rough as it WAS in the day. I buy like 2 or 3 hc cds a year now and that it. The only things that have impressed me over the last 3 or 4 years have been My Revenge, Champion and CockPunch SIDE NOTE: I was lucky to see 25 ta Life in SD during the comic con 2 years ago at some little Irish bar, thats one band that still remains on my list. _________________ Everyone wants to be a fucking cop until they actually have to help someone. http://www.flickr.com/photos/redhanded Wanted - M-POP Marusan MechaGodzilla Pink set, Dream Rocket Oddities
Sat Feb 09, 2008 11:13 am

bannedindc S7 Royalty Joined: Mon Jul 31, 2006 3:37 pm Posts: 3435 Location: super 7 country	bryanarchy wrote: Canada made hardcore better. . bryan I dont know about the bands you mentioned but fucked up rules. Id like thank canada forever for that one. but as its been mentioned on the board. I will always love chokehold and this was one of my all time favorite shows
Sat Feb 09, 2008 3:32 pm

conqueror Addicted Joined: Tue Jan 29, 2008 7:33 pm Posts: 548 Location: AUS	redhanded wrote: A little late to the thread but my favorites would have to be No for an Answer, Youth of Today, Sacred Denial (the early years), Nations on Fire and probably Negative Approach. Can't just pic one. I had pretty much fell out of the scene about 7 years ago and cashed my chips in for noise/experimental stuff which I always liked. Everything got too metal for me, no heart and annoying lectures from bands on how high school is rough. Not as rough as it WAS in the day. I buy like 2 or 3 hc cds a year now and that it. The only things that have impressed me over the last 3 or 4 years have been My Revenge, Champion and CockPunch SIDE NOTE: I was lucky to see 25 ta Life in SD during the comic con 2 years ago at some little Irish bar, thats one band that still remains on my list. my revenge are/were awesome. champion i never got into much recorded but they toured australia twice (2003 and then in 2005 with internal affairs and betrayed) and were incredible both times. _________________ originally registered 02/12/07. want list.
Sat Feb 09, 2008 7:28 pm

ikkashinju Comment King Joined: Tue Jul 31, 2007 1:08 am Posts: 1184 Location: Escondido because of work...Los Angeles in heart!	bryanarchy wrote: Canada made hardcore better. Union of Uranus, aka Uranus (ottawa) - You can either blame them or thank them for bringing more of a thick and heavy metal-tinge to hardcore. Either way, you can still hear their influence. Orchid claimed in several interviews that they were nothing more than a Uranus tribute band. Shotmaker (ottawa) - Time changes, amazing rhythms and melodies. I'd give my left ear to have seen these guys. Influenced the whole heartattack scene. The Swarm (Toronto) - Sludgy and fast; allegedly throwing firecrackers at the audience during shows. From the Swarm came Cursed; yet another amazing band. Chokehold (toronto) - Controversial vegan pro-choice straight-edge. Also had the metal in them. Malfaction (winnipeg) - First grind/metalcore band I ever saw. Swallowing Shit (winnipeg) - brutal grind attack. Had Christian groups protesting at their shows. Propagandhi (winnipeg) - can't say I love these guys, but they continue to influence bands around the world. not chugs, blame that on someone else. Wait a mother fucking minute!!! How can you mention Canadian hardcore without the masters of Canadian hardcore THE NEOS? Let's not forget Subhumans,SNFU,DOA,Negative Gain,Career Suicide,Fucked Up...... _________________ HEY FUCK DICKIE...YEAH HE'S NO FUN...FUCK RICHARD!!! YEAH,RIGHT IN THE... http://www.flickr.com/photos/ikkashinju/
Sat Feb 09, 2008 9:01 pm

ikkashinju Comment King Joined: Tue Jul 31, 2007 1:08 am Posts: 1184 Location: Escondido because of work...Los Angeles in heart!	Richard's Hardcore awards: Best band of all time= GAUZE(Tokyo,Japan) Best SxE band= Minor Threat Best Canadian Band=Neos Best West Coast Band=Black Flag w/Chavo aka Ron Reyes on vocals Best East Coast band=Bad Brains Best Mexican Band=Massacre 68 Best Brazilian band=Lixo Mania Best Finland band=Terveet Kadet(80-86) Best Sweden band=Mob 47 Best Australian band=Rupture Best German band=Inferno Best Holland band=the Kids Best UK band=Crass & Discharge(tie) Best Spain band=La Polla Records Best Denmark band=Amde Petersens Arme Best Norway band=Barn Av Regnebuen Best Italy band=Indigesti Best young band=The Snobs(Austin,TX)check their 2 7"s all under 16 years old as the time they were released _________________ HEY FUCK DICKIE...YEAH HE'S NO FUN...FUCK RICHARD!!! YEAH,RIGHT IN THE... http://www.flickr.com/photos/ikkashinju/
Sat Feb 09, 2008 9:09 pm

donnierobot Comment King Joined: Tue Oct 10, 2006 11:39 am Posts: 1409 Location: London	I'm with Koji Swing Kids we toured them and Spanakorzo around Europe when I put the Spanakorzo single out, They were amazing never seen anything like em, that jazz trained drummer was all over his kit like bad rash !!!!! _________________ www.deathwaltzrecordingcompany.com
Sun Feb 10, 2008 3:51 am

Slack Mini Boss Joined: Sat Nov 19, 2005 2:34 am Posts: 4504	anybody got a copy of Unity??
Sun Feb 10, 2008 4:04 am

jebcrow Side Dealer Joined: Wed May 24, 2006 4:11 pm Posts: 2253 Location: lahn-dahn	i am with the old man army on this one...90% of the groups mentioned here,,i have never heard of...haven't a clue?? i guess the early90's grunge explosion really turned the entire "underground" scene on its head... it is also my fault for diving into the rave scene at that time (no sXe contingents in those parts ,,except moby pre-popstar days)...ironically,,lots of rave music from 89'-94' is called hardcore too...so,,,go figure!!! nowadays,,i listen to a bastard mix of all the things i avidly listened to from the 70'-90's
Sun Feb 10, 2008 4:44 am

Collin Shots Line of Credit Joined: Fri Sep 28, 2007 2:05 am Posts: 1868 Location: 1503	did anyone say TSOL? I didn't want to read the whole post. The bad brains on MTV thing is they promote a random band every week, all my friends thought Bad Brains was the title of a new song by korn. Apparently thats what they look and sound like now.
Sun Feb 10, 2008 5:05 am

bryanarchy Illuminati Joined: Fri Feb 03, 2006 5:26 pm Posts: 1244 Location: Edmonton, AB, Canada	ikkashinju wrote: Wait a mother fucking minute!!! How can you mention Canadian hardcore without the masters of Canadian hardcore THE NEOS? Let's not forget Subhumans,SNFU,DOA,Negative Gain,Career Suicide,Fucked Up...... Sorry man, like I said, hardcore always has a personal definition. Despite those bands not falling into what I'd considered hardcore, without a doubt, they are all hugely influential and groundbreaking in their own ways. In this case, you also cannot forget Nomeansno. _________________ Texas is the reason the president's dead. http://www.flickr.com/photos/bryanarchy
Sun Feb 10, 2008 8:07 am

abelincolnjr S7 Royalty Joined: Sat Dec 02, 2006 6:46 pm Posts: 3200 Location: Brooklyn, NY	Bryanarchy as the voice of reason in a flame prone thread... Hats off on keeping the peace I myself rarely engage in Cranky Old Punk Rock antics IRL but I have to admit I do have a propensity to do the "old school" troll here where there are a bunch of other olden timers. KJB, just curious what are you listening to nowadays? _________________ LamourSupreme wrote: he looks like hes got anus hands. Want List: http://www.skullbrain.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=10395 Collection Pics: http://www.skullbrain.org/bb/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=29761 Website: http://www.girlsbike.com
Sun Feb 10, 2008 8:20 am

jebcrow Side Dealer Joined: Wed May 24, 2006 4:11 pm Posts: 2253 Location: lahn-dahn	ohhh,,nomeansno,,,there is a great band..never got much recognition,,,or played out east for that matter.. as for their canadian brethren DOA,,,they toured too much,,i reckon they would play nyc-area shows more often than locals...
Sun Feb 10, 2008 9:11 am

bryanarchy Illuminati Joined: Fri Feb 03, 2006 5:26 pm Posts: 1244 Location: Edmonton, AB, Canada	Nomeansno was an important band for me in the early 90's. I really dug the simplicity and intensity of their music. A great thing to check out is their side project The Hanson Brothers; a hockey themed tribute to the Ramones. They used to tour east in Canada as Nomeansno and then return west as the Hanson Brothers. DOA is still kicking. I was in a Black Flag tribute band and we opened for them a year or so ago. Joey Shithead is as energetic as ever. Abe- I know what you mean about being the old school troll. I've been involved in the all-ages music scene here for 17+ years. I've seen it all and when the 'next new thing' shows up, it's not that new at all... _________________ Texas is the reason the president's dead. http://www.flickr.com/photos/bryanarchy
Sun Feb 10, 2008 9:56 am

KJB Comment King Joined: Fri Mar 10, 2006 7:07 am Posts: 1337 Location: Milwaukee, WI	abelincolnjr wrote: Bryanarchy as the voice of reason in a flame prone thread... Hats off on keeping the peace I myself rarely engage in Cranky Old Punk Rock antics IRL but I have to admit I do have a propensity to do the "old school" troll here where there are a bunch of other olden timers. KJB, just curious what are you listening to nowadays? Ha ha. Yeah, I find myself in that position more often than I'd like nowadays, especially since many of the people writing about music (both locally and nationally) seem to lack any knowledge of history. As for what I listen to, it's (as it has always been) a kind of bizarre mix - latest faves are Future of the Left (ex-Mclusky), Miley Cyrus (yes, the "Hannah Montana" girl; her new CD is amazing pop music), Peter Hammill (from Van Der Graaf Generator), and this Belgian singer named Arno - none of his stuff is out in the US, but it's really varied and astounding. Plus tons of stuff from the past, from Rush to the Dickies to Coltrane. I'm glad they're reissuing things like the original DOA records; those still sound as good as ever. Not a lot of new stuff really does it for me, unfortunately; plus there's so much of it that I have to rely on recommendations from people I trust, rather than being able to just go out and pick stuff up at random. _________________ I went there on business
Sun Feb 10, 2008 12:14 pm

abelincolnjr S7 Royalty Joined: Sat Dec 02, 2006 6:46 pm Posts: 3200 Location: Brooklyn, NY	KJB wrote: I'm glad they're reissuing things like the original DOA records; those still sound as good as ever. Not a lot of new stuff really does it for me, unfortunately; plus there's so much of it that I have to rely on recommendations from people I trust, rather than being able to just go out and pick stuff up at random. Agreed, one cool thing about MP3s and CD's and the renewed interest in old music (not just Punk) is that reissues make former rarities accessible to everyone. One thing thats funny is rehearing music I haven't heard in 20 years, that I thought some records were amazing back then and they turned out to be total crap in the long run. Ah the folly of youth! _________________ LamourSupreme wrote: he looks like hes got anus hands. Want List: http://www.skullbrain.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=10395 Collection Pics: http://www.skullbrain.org/bb/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=29761 Website: http://www.girlsbike.com
Sun Feb 10, 2008 12:35 pm

redhanded Side Dealer Joined: Sun Dec 17, 2006 11:16 pm Posts: 2135	ikkashinju wrote: Richard's Hardcore awards: Best young band=The Snobs(Austin,TX)check their 2 7"s all under 16 years old as the time they were released I saw them play Emo's here in Austin twice.Fun stuff. _________________ Everyone wants to be a fucking cop until they actually have to help someone. http://www.flickr.com/photos/redhanded Wanted - M-POP Marusan MechaGodzilla Pink set, Dream Rocket Oddities
Sun Feb 10, 2008 12:42 pm

bannedindc S7 Royalty Joined: Mon Jul 31, 2006 3:37 pm Posts: 3435 Location: super 7 country	Collin Shots wrote: did anyone say TSOL? I didn't want to read the whole post. The bad brains on MTV thing is they promote a random band every week, all my friends thought Bad Brains was the title of a new song by korn. Apparently thats what they look and sound like now. personally I think TSOL sucks. bad. I think people just say they like them because they are afraid of jack grisham, as I would be too but I'm an east coaster, they had one good song? code blue? "TSOL are sissies" and in defense of those rastafarians... for the record bad brains have looked like that for better half of 25 years. lets not talking about god of love though.
Sun Feb 10, 2008 2:17 pm
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