Yea, i had no idea there was straight edge in NZ but now my gf tells me that there's a pretty big scene in Auckland. I realize that most SxE wouldn't beat up drinkers but there was some mention of the original scene having a bit of that going on - was just interested to hear why.

Are you from NZ or have you just spent time here? I'm from Dunedin (hence why i haven't seen many SxE kids that i know of)

the only real bad shit i know to do with straight edge is the salt lake city kids from back whenever (90s i'm assuming) and i don't know how much of that is truth and how much is hearsay. also don't know how large a part religion played in that, if any, but i assume it had a role (if the stories are even true).

yep from NZ, wellington!

Nice!!! - do you know Tony at popup at all or are you strictly kaiju only

if he's the owner then yep! bought some stuff off of him before we left, got a nice (and cheap compared with over here) archival kozyndan print. he's a really nice guy

ok... i've been MIA for a few days...

richard...
dan o' is sxe? i think he wrote all his books while he was drunk off his ass. what was the name of the bar he opened?
also, fuck ExC? come on... those dudes are still edge and vegan. show some respect!

brian...
did you go to the Murphy's Law/GB shows last summer?? two of the greatest bands ever in one night. singing along with jimmy g and then with civ... great fucking times!

and did colin shots call me an asshole??!? that alone might make me start drinking. that and missing out on the cronicxsunguts camguts

I try to be straight edge on Monday and Tuesday.

I've been lurking since last May and this thread seams like the right one to jump in on.
I've been edge for ten years, since I was 13, and the older I get the less the actual title means to me, but when I was younger it meant everything. Having bands I could identify with like gorilla biscuits, earth crisis and minor threat when I was 14 and all my friends got into weed and drinking meant a lot to me, I didn't have to feel like a weirdo for not smoking up in the woods because I knew there were other people out there that felt that shit was stupid just like me. I came into school with xs on my hands for a couple years, and never thought anything of it. I think my experience with sxe is a little different than most because for most of my teenage years I was the lone sober kid in a group of wanna be potheads, I didn't really start hanging out with or know other straight edge people till I was 18 or so. As I've gotten older I've found that I don't really need the label to be okay with myself and staying sober, i am very grateful to have something like sxe when I was younger though. Working with recovering addicts now makes me feel even more grateful that i never got into drinking or drugs.

Hey Scott,
I never knew that about Dan o'...I guess lose edge points. And as for Earth Crisis..they just don't do it for me..hell,most edge bands don't do it for me. Give me some dirty shit like Germs,(Early)GG Allin,(early)Black Flag,etc....

can someone explain the relevance of varsity jackets to sxe?

Kirkland...I think it's because allot of straight edge kids back in the day and even now are athletic jock types.

I was different type of straight edge kid. I was a skater who is in a gang,tagged everywhere,got in a shit load of fights,and most other edge kids didn't like me for liking punk like the Rotters,X,Black Randy,Flipper,Weirdos,etc. I was called a "new wave "I'M ABOUT TO BE BANNED"" from the jock types who were in the high school football team and shit like that.

By the way...kids...keep windmills and spinning leg kicks out punk.

Alot of it had to do with the fact that they were CALLED jocks by punk kids. Take it to the extreme and guys like Al barile of SSD made a varisty jacket with a special back on it. It eventually became part of the classic edgeman style. alot of it was a reaction to early-mid 80s and wanting looking un-punk. Ebb & flow. Like Ikka said..when it comes down to it edge kids look alot of different ways but the Varsity jacket is definitly been a staple of sxe since the mid-late 80s..

The origin:


present day:

tim mcmahon from mouthpiece has the sweetest edge varisty jacket collection. also some dude from down to nothing (zzz) probably has the best custom jacket i've seen.

I just posted dave from dtns jacket. there are about 20 of those jackets in richmond. It looks great when everybody wears thiers to a show. even if it is for a dtn show. zzzz indeed.

i didn't even notice that pic till i replied. either way, when they were touring australia he (not sure if its the same dude) had a totally different jacket. it was black and gold with 'WOLFPACK' on the back. DYS ripoff or not, it ruled.

I totally respect all of you straight edge guys.

Having said that, you obviously haven't had a vicodin. That shit is awesome.

i think this subject always gets a huge difference of opinion but at the end of the day who really cares. i have been sxe for over 14 years and now i am 30 its still the same as it was when i was 16

its just the way i am and thats it, the biggest problem i have noticed is people who are not sxe, i get every time i go out "you not drinking?" "so when you going to start drinking?" and honestly does it really matter, don't get me wrong there are loads of sxe'ers who are cocks but they would be the same if they drank and its usually the ones who do act like cocks end up drinking after 12 months anyway

i played a few shows last year in Europe last year with my band i me being the only sxe in the band it was so strange when going to venues and asking if i could trade the booze for something else, they thought i was mental and usually laughed, but is it that funny. so i x'ed up when i played and it was great getting people wound up because of it hahahaha fools

i don't go about asking people "when you going to stop drinking?"

anyway its not for everyone and who really cares as long as our having fun without being a plum

TRUE TIL DEATH hahahahaha

To bring Theodore Nugent into the conversation, Nugent inspired the early straight edge movement with his frequent declaration that he did not drink alcohol or smoke tobacco or marijuana.

For the record, I don't care for Ted Nugent, but he is kind of popular around these parts with some.

I swear my last post in this thread. but this is 100% true as old man mackaye was a huge nugent fan as young man.

It's quite interesting to learn about SxE.
I never knew a culture such as this existed.
I can almost relate as I don't drink, no drugs, no pot.
My only vice is cigs.
And I like varsity jackets.

I saw an edge band open at this show I went to and the drummer looked like he was making scrammbled eggs on his snare.

I am straight edge, and have had exactly 2 vicodin pills in my life (I had brain surgery). It was not fun. I had some of the negative side effects. Sleeping like I was in a coma and getting up wide awake and having extremely realistic and terrifying nightmares. I took two and decided I would stick with ibuprofen for any pain. But that's just my experience.

Anyway, I've considered myself straight edge for the last 5 years or so, although I have never smoked, used any drugs and have only tried a small taste of a couple types of beer over a decade ago. I was always reluctant to label myself as edge, mainly because growing up the only knowledge I had of sXe was what I knew about Utah and other hardliners. Plus I didn't like Earth Crisis. As I got more into hardcore, I decided if I could give someone that didn't know about it a positive view, then why not.

i repeat... did colin shots call me an asshole?

hmm, i never even heard of this term and it's strange to read that their is a term, lifestyle or classification for a certain a way of life. it's strange especially since we all have our reasons for what we choose to fit our own lifestyles... so why put a name to it? it only causes indifference?

PM him and ask.

Do you think it's possible that those effects were from, you know, the brain surgery?