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atease
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BloodDrinker6969 wrote: SAMBA wrote: This shit is going too far now. We've been saying that for months lol, this isn't a NEW trend.
yeah it just hasn't happened in a while and all of the new folks haven't seen how nuts it can get.
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COOP wrote: I've been collecting japanese toys for almost twenty years, and never heard of you until recently, yet you try to come across like you're Mr. Supercollector. Spending lots of money doesn't make you a collector, it just makes you a chump.
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| Wed Mar 05, 2008 10:41 am |
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Dean
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I try to take the Sinead "I do not want what I have not got" attitude and just walk away when these snake pit frenzies happen. It's not the best way to get the hot goods, but it's a good way to remember to be happy with what you've got and can get for reasonable prices. Maybe I should be more competitive but "there are always more toys." Now that's true, not just a feel-good mantra.
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| Wed Mar 05, 2008 10:46 am |
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Vombie
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Joined: Thu Mar 15, 2007 4:43 pm Posts: 7090 Location: Oregon
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I don't know if Mori will have more super-limited releases more often with the store opening, so it doesn't seem like such a good idea to throw down $$$ on these right now. but folks love some 'Head.
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| Wed Mar 05, 2008 10:48 am |
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BloodDrinker6969
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Joined: Sun Nov 26, 2006 9:13 pm Posts: 12024 Location: Chicago, Like R.Kelly
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xoconostle wrote: I try to take the Sinead "I do not want what I have not got" attitude and just walk away when these snake pit frenzies happen. It's not the best way to get the hot goods, but it's a good way to remember to be happy with what you've got and can get for reasonable prices. Maybe I should be more competitive but "there are always more toys." Now that's true, not just a feel-good mantra.
YEAH, Everyone do that!  Than I can get one easier! 
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| Wed Mar 05, 2008 10:50 am |
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atease
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Joined: Mon Jun 26, 2006 6:23 pm Posts: 5382 Location: Boston, MA
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Vombie wrote: I don't know if Mori will have more super-limited releases more often with the store opening, so it doesn't seem like such a good idea to throw down $$$ on these right now. but folks love some 'Head.
what's interesting though is that none of us knows how limited the figure is, it's all speculation at this point. this is how it always is, and i'm trying not to get too worked up over it.
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COOP wrote: I've been collecting japanese toys for almost twenty years, and never heard of you until recently, yet you try to come across like you're Mr. Supercollector. Spending lots of money doesn't make you a collector, it just makes you a chump.
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| Wed Mar 05, 2008 10:57 am |
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Dean
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Joined: Sun Feb 18, 2007 9:53 pm Posts: 6232 Location: 415
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BloodDrinker6969 wrote: YEAH, Everyone do that!  Than I can get one easier! 
Hah, and more power to you. They say nice guys finish last, but that's because they're afraid of finishing last. Sometimes walking the middle ground actually seems to make the toy karma gods smile. The meek shall inherit the Head or something like that.
OK back to reality ... FIGHT!!!!
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| Wed Mar 05, 2008 11:04 am |
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SAMBA
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atease wrote: BloodDrinker6969 wrote: SAMBA wrote: This shit is going too far now. We've been saying that for months lol, this isn't a NEW trend. yeah it just hasn't happened in a while and all of the new folks haven't seen how nuts it can get.
Dont get me wrong- Ive seen it all before also but it still shocks me each time theres a load of hype again- you just have to put shit into perspective- were all adults here, this toy cost less than $5 to make and there are people starving to death in the world.
I really dont understand why there are not larger production runs so everyone gets a piece of the pie- RXH would make more money also so what is the down side?
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| Wed Mar 05, 2008 11:05 am |
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BloodDrinker6969
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xoconostle wrote: BloodDrinker6969 wrote: YEAH, Everyone do that!  Than I can get one easier!  Hah, and more power to you. They say nice guys finish last, but that's because they're afraid of finishing last. Sometimes walking the middle ground actually seems to make the toy karma gods smile. The meek shall inherit the Head or something like that. OK back to reality ... FIGHT!!!!
Ha, I'm not paying $300 for this thing either  My method is stalking like a cat, just gotta wait it out.
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| Wed Mar 05, 2008 11:08 am |
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Locomoco
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Joined: Wed Mar 01, 2006 11:13 pm Posts: 8143 Location: San Mateo
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BloodDrinker6969 wrote: Ha, I'm not paying $300 for this thing either  My method is stalking like a cat, just gotta wait it out.

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| Wed Mar 05, 2008 11:11 am |
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Krudler
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There's too much RxH product I'm not interested flooding the market and the stuff I like: Gang of four, Akro, and Jinya either get neglected or super limited releases.
I tend to back away from hype but others flock to it. Hopefully they'll have long attention spans and then RxH will up the runs on the releases I want to purchase.
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logang1
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SAMBA wrote: this toy cost less than $5 to make and there are people starving to death in the world.
I understand the call for perspective during a discussion like this, but I do not believe that your estimation of cost of production is accurate.
The concept of value, and one's personal investment in this stuff is always going to vary by individual.
If anything, I hope that Mori hears about the fan excitement around this tribute figure, and around the Evil sculpt in general....so that he may dip into a few more different character molds other than the Chaos figure, when considering future releases.
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| Wed Mar 05, 2008 11:21 am |
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akum6n
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Joined: Sat Nov 04, 2006 12:03 am Posts: 6162 Location: Shima
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Whoever paid $300+ for the V-3 Evil is nuts. I'm not going to pull out my hair over this one until the official word that they are, in fact, gone gone gone.
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| Wed Mar 05, 2008 11:27 am |
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Vombie
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datadub wrote: remember these are all toys that are material-wise made out $5 of vinyl and paint. The value is all in our hearts and heads.
maybe $5 isn't stretching it too much?
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| Wed Mar 05, 2008 11:36 am |
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Locomoco
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SAMBA wrote: this toy cost less than $5 to make and there are people starving to death in the world.
Vombie wrote: datadub wrote: remember these are all toys that are material-wise made out $5 of vinyl and paint. The value is all in our hearts and heads. maybe $5 isn't stretching it too much?
Well, there's a big difference in cost of materials, and cost of manufacturing a product...
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| Wed Mar 05, 2008 11:38 am |
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logang1
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Locomoco wrote: Vombie wrote: datadub wrote: remember these are all toys that are material-wise made out $5 of vinyl and paint. The value is all in our hearts and heads. maybe $5 isn't stretching it too much? SAMBA wrote: this toy cost less than $5 to make and there are people starving to death in the world.
Well, there's a big difference in cost of materials, and cost of manufacturing a product...
This was my point.
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| Wed Mar 05, 2008 11:40 am |
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SAMBA
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Joined: Sun May 06, 2007 1:15 pm Posts: 1228 Location: LONDON
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Well whatever the price of production is really isnt important as the principle is still the same- although if I still had to make a guess I reckon $5-$10 isnt far off.
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| Wed Mar 05, 2008 11:42 am |
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Locomoco
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SAMBA wrote: Well whatever the price of production is really isnt important as the principle is still the same- although if I still had to make a guess I reckon $5-$10 isnt far off.
So are you suggesting that the value of Mori's time to paint them individually has no worth?
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Vombie
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right on. my bad...
still, when Mori can sell these at about 30usd a figure and still turn a profit, pay his gang, and make more figures, it makes you wonder just how much production cost come to--or not.
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logang1
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I'm not really sure HOW you are quantifying cost to produce these. We're talking about a very small business, that essentially has ONE person to design, produce, finance, ship, control quality & creative process with some help from his friends. In this country there is some guy for each part of that process. Each guy taking a salary of some sort.
This is essentially a handmade product, which also commands a premium, especially in this country. ALL of this contributes to cost....Mori just chooses to maintain his product closely, and absorb these costs himself.
Here's a refresher SAMBA:
http://www.kai-zine.com/blog/2008/03/01 ... in-english
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SAMBA
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Locomoco wrote: SAMBA wrote: Well whatever the price of production is really isnt important as the principle is still the same- although if I still had to make a guess I reckon $5-$10 isnt far off. So are you suggesting that the value of Mori's time to paint them individually has no worth?
No obviously not- none of know the pricise breakdown of the production costs but-
Lets say it takes you 3 hours to paint a runs of 40 each costing $5 from the factory ( not including start up cost of the mold ect.) then you see each one of that run to S7 for even $20 then they sell them for $60.
You have made $15 from each figure- 15 x 40 = 600
$600 for 3 hours work sounds good to me.
But like I said none of know the correct numbers and time and shit- the principle is still the same.
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logang1
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SAMBA, I disagree. Completely. See my post above yours.
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| Wed Mar 05, 2008 11:52 am |
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akum6n
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So I guess you're not paying your workers or your rent, huh?
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| Wed Mar 05, 2008 11:53 am |
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Locomoco
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SAMBA wrote: Locomoco wrote: SAMBA wrote: Well whatever the price of production is really isnt important as the principle is still the same- although if I still had to make a guess I reckon $5-$10 isnt far off. So are you suggesting that the value of Mori's time to paint them individually has no worth? No obviously not- none of know the pricise breakdown of the production costs but- Lets say it takes you 3 hours to paint a runs of 40 each costing $5 from the factory ( not including start up cost of the mold ect.) then you see each one of that run to S7 for even $20 then they sell them for $60. You have made $15 from each figure- 15 x 40 = 600 $600 for 3 hours work sounds good to me. But like I said none of know the correct numbers and time and shit- the principle is still the same.
Are you kidding? Seriously?
Beyond painting, he has to market, solicit, do correspondence, produce product, ship, and do collections.
And I think the days of sub-50 runs are pretty much over for RxH except for festival exclusives.
Also, presuming your estimate of $200 an hour is true, that's really not much when you consider the cost of his running a store front in Tokyo and still tyring to make a living...
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| Wed Mar 05, 2008 11:54 am |
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SAMBA
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logang1 wrote: SAMBA, I disagree. Completely. See my post above yours.
Just gonna read that now- I am completly picking numbers out of the air I admit, but this discussion seems to be missing the point-
$300 for a 5 inch vinly figure seems crazy. Bigger runs means RXH making more money and more people having a product they want to buy.
Supply and demand.
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| Wed Mar 05, 2008 11:55 am |
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logang1
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akum6n wrote: So I guess you're not paying your workers or your rent, huh?
Or the lease for your brick and mortar location.
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| Wed Mar 05, 2008 11:56 am |
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