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 Did the U.S. government have a hand in the 9/11 attacks? 

What role, if any, did the U.S. government play in the 9/11 attacks on NYC?
The government orchestrated the entire attack. 21%  21%  [ 20 ]
The government had prior knowledge of the attack and allowed it to occur. 41%  41%  [ 40 ]
The government was not involved. 38%  38%  [ 37 ]
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 Did the U.S. government have a hand in the 9/11 attacks? 
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silent killer wrote:
...theres a huge majority of people who will automatically discard it as either false or unpatriotic...
And then there's plenty of people who don't believe the challenges to the official story because they don't sound logical or rational.

There are also a lot of people who are automatically skeptical of information from non-journalistic and/or non-scientific sources.

There are also people who don't believe everything they read or see on the internet.


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AND they created AIDS!


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no just the crack epidemic

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This is pretty big news:

A reputable science and engineering journal has published this article:

"Fourteen Points of Agreement with Official Government Reports on the World Trade Center Destruction"

You can get it and read it at this link- is is the most recently published so should be on the top:

http://www.bentham.org/open/index.htm

The important thing about this is that it is an Independent, objective, peer reviewed journal. So to get an article published in here it goes through many screening and checking processes- to check that the information that they are publishing is 100% scientifically accurate, it is independantly peer reviewed at each level.

I have always said on this subject, regardless of all the suspicition and circumstancial stuff, the theories and coincidiences it is the science that is the smoking gun. ( Hence all of my comments about the molten steel through the past 9 pages! :D )

Everyone who is interested should give it a read- it is pretty scientific and technical though.

But I think that no one can argue anymore that there are no 'experts' or qualified people who believe the alternate theories. The fact that this very reputable journal is endorsing these theories should open the eyes of even the most hardend believer of the 'official story.'

This is bigger news that Jesse or Willy! :D


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samba thank you for posting that it was a very cool read.


i always found this interesting:

9. Destruction of WTC Steel Evidence
NIST: “NIST possesses 236 structural steel elements
from the World Trade Center (WTC) buildings. These pieces
represent a small fraction of the enormous amount of steel
examined at the various recovery yards where the debris was
sent as the WTC site was cleared. It is estimated that roughly
0.25 percent to 0.5 percent of the 200,000 tons of steel used
in the construction of the two towers was recovered.” “The
lack of WTC 7 steel precludes tests on actual material from
the structure…” [1].
Thus, only a tiny fraction of steel was analyzed from the
WTC Towers, and none of the WTC 7 steel was analyzed by
NIST. What happened to the rest of the steel from the crime
scene?
For more than three months, structural steel from
the World Trade Center has been and continues to
be cut up and sold for scrap. Crucial evidence that
could answer many questions about high-rise
building design practices and performance under
fire conditions is on the slow boat to China, perhaps
never to be seen again in America until you
buy your next car.
Such destruction of evidence shows the astounding
ignorance of government officials to the value
of a thorough, scientific investigation of the largest
fire-induced collapse in world history. I have
combed through our national standard for fire investigation,
NFPA 921, but nowhere in it does one
find an exemption allowing the destruction of evidence
for buildings over 10 stories tall [19].

and this is pathetic:

13. Total Collapse Explanation Lacking
NIST: “This letter is in response to your April 12, 2007
request for correction… we are unable to provide a full explanation
of the total collapse” [25].
This admission by NIST after publishing some 10,000
pages on the collapse of the Towers shows admirable candor,
yet may come as a bit of a shock to interested parties including
Congress,

along with:

WTC 7 Collapse Issue
FEMA: “The specifics of the fires in WTC 7 and how
they caused the building to collapse remain unknown at this
time. Although the total diesel fuel on the premises contained massive potential energy, the best hypothesis has only
a low probability of occurrence. Further research, investigation,
and analyses are needed to resolve this issue” [2].
FEMA analyzed the remarkable collapse of WTC building
7, the 47-story skyscraper that, even though it was not hit
by a plane, collapsed about seven hours after the second
Tower collapse. We certainly agree that FEMA’s best firebased
hypothesis “has only a low probability of occurrence.”
NIST’s final report on WTC 7 has been long delayed and is
eagerly awaited [3]. Apparently it is difficult to fully explain
the complete and rapid collapse of WTC 7 with a fire-based
hypothesis alone.


soooooooooooo basically the FEMA's report is worthless?

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This irks me:

http://www.dailyrecord.com/apps/pbcs.dl ... /80422019/

This makes me lol, though:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7361414.stm


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