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kidclam
Mini Boss
Joined: Sat Jan 28, 2006 12:51 am Posts: 4250
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Gizzy wrote: I'm one to agree that "bad" art doesn't really exist(I think)
I remember when I was studying my fine art course one of the final year students final project was getting his girlfriend taking pictures of himself in a closet masturbating. His work was later taken off the exhibition...
Just saying who's to really judge and do people have the right to censorship? You can comment on one's work, but stopping them from free expression is another.
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Wed Apr 23, 2008 1:58 am |
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miami
Comment King
Joined: Mon Feb 05, 2007 8:59 am Posts: 1335 Location: 33139 or 95437
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joshuajh wrote: there is no such thing as good or bad art, only good and bad based on some set of assumptions. one person's trash is another's treasure and all that.
I pretty much agree with xono, just trying the 'picture is worth a thousand words' angle instead. I can see that 'successful' vs. 'unsuccessful' art may be more useful than Good vs. Bad, but ...
Some things are just Good -
And some are just Bad -
http://www.museumofbadart.org/
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Wed Apr 23, 2008 9:06 am |
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Dean
Prototype
Joined: Sun Feb 18, 2007 9:53 pm Posts: 6232 Location: 415
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 you make a convincing point there miami 
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Wed Apr 23, 2008 9:11 am |
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Locomoco
Die-Cast
Joined: Wed Mar 01, 2006 11:13 pm Posts: 8143 Location: San Mateo
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Patrick Nagel: Goood or Bad?
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Wed Apr 23, 2008 9:12 am |
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Dean
Prototype
Joined: Sun Feb 18, 2007 9:53 pm Posts: 6232 Location: 415
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Locomoco wrote: Patrick Nagel: Goood or Bad?
Oh ouch. OK here goes. He was VERY good at what he did. His original illustrations for Playboy were stylish and eye-catching ... sexy, charming, and sooooo cleanly executed. He could convey miles of expression with a few simple lines. That's unquestionably a sign of artistic talent. In their time and place, his illustrations were innovative and of-the-moment. It should have ended there: He was an illustrator. That's why the commercial application of his work (e.g. the cover of Duran Duran's "Rio") was successful, whereas ...
those gawdawful endless framed posters of his work, especially the uber-tacky ones that included a strip of neon, were just hideous. They didn't work very well as decorative art, and their ubiquitousness during the mid-80s made them repellent for we urban dwellers who were subjected to them at every unsolicited turn. The familiarity bred contempt because the context was all wrong. They were illustrations, not fine art.
How's that? 
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Wed Apr 23, 2008 9:15 am |
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Gizzy
Addicted
Joined: Sun Apr 06, 2008 11:09 pm Posts: 588 Location: NY & Jpn
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I had to go look him up hehe
If I'm looking at the correct thing...I dunno...neutral?
damn xoco, I need to take you with me to museums and whatnot for some explanations 
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Wed Apr 23, 2008 9:18 am |
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coasterbear
Toy Prince
Joined: Wed Sep 12, 2007 10:31 am Posts: 243 Location: SF Bay Area
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Thomas Kinkade: threat, or menace?
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Wed Apr 23, 2008 8:33 pm |
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Gizzy
Addicted
Joined: Sun Apr 06, 2008 11:09 pm Posts: 588 Location: NY & Jpn
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coasterbear wrote: Thomas Kinkade: threat, or menace?
Isn't that a loaded question?
had to look the guy up again, hmm~ interesting, gonna need more time to dwell on this one
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Wed Apr 23, 2008 9:08 pm |
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Dean
Prototype
Joined: Sun Feb 18, 2007 9:53 pm Posts: 6232 Location: 415
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coasterbear wrote: Thomas Kinkade: threat, or menace?
I could rant for days on that dude but it's someone else's turn. 
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Wed Apr 23, 2008 9:28 pm |
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Locomoco
Die-Cast
Joined: Wed Mar 01, 2006 11:13 pm Posts: 8143 Location: San Mateo
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xoconostle wrote: coasterbear wrote: Thomas Kinkade: threat, or menace? I could rant for days on that dude but it's someone else's turn. 
He sucks. Period.
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Wed Apr 23, 2008 9:35 pm |
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dear earthling
Fresh Meat
Joined: Sat Mar 29, 2008 8:35 pm Posts: 10 Location: Seattle
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I think this figure is pretty cool in some ways, and just like most everything else UNKL has put out, not so cool in other ways. Parts of it really appeal to whatever part of my brain registers "aesthetically pleasing", and parts don't. I won't be buying it, but it has nothing to do with the price. I find it humorous that people are gawfing at the price tag when other, smaller, uglier pieces go for that and more.
I'm new here, so I don't really expect my opinions to mean anything to anyone, but I do put a lot of thought, time, money, and yes, emotion into my collection and artwork. I lost interest in most western vinyl, which is where I got my start, a while back and am now just beginning to get into kaiju. And no, KR is not a hangout place for me, either.
But honestly, most of it I just don't understand. The way many of you feel about this UNKL piece is the same way I feel about most kaiju. Uninspired? I could say that about many eastern pieces. Overpriced? Again, laughable compared to what happens in this market. Retreaded? Please, don't get me started.
As someone who equally enjoys both the smooth, perhaps more shape-based sculpts of western vinyl, and the drippy, more chaotic (I won't say "more hand sculpted feel" because that's a subject for another time) forms of the east, I still struggle with this idea of supremecy and/or purists who can't enjoy both for what they are.
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Mon Apr 28, 2008 10:50 am |
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sumatra71
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Joined: Wed Oct 03, 2007 9:31 pm Posts: 5512 Location: LV-426
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right on...!!!
good to see you up in here Dear Earthling...!!!

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