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American Politics is mind-bottling- the republican party is like an episode of the outer limits where everything is opposite, down is up, backwards is forwards, change is more of the same.

The best thing of all is that Insane and Failin' will win.

Please turn your watches back 50 years and kiss your ass goodbye. :cry:


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FAIL

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YpJsQch9uZo&e


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now i'm getting flashbacks to one of my job interviews where i crashed and burned... so i can totally relate. I <3 her!!! OMG!!!

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Here is Jason Bourne pratically saying word for word what I said to my girlfriend when we say the VP pick on the news.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C6urw_PWHYk

It really is like a bad film, I can remember an old one called King Ralph I think with John Goodman or possibly John Candy when a similar thing happens....


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Here is Jason Bourne pratically saying word for word what I said to my girlfriend when we say the VP pick on the news.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C6urw_PWHYk

Not sure if you knew this, but that's actually Matt Damon, the actor who played Jason Bourne.

I think he took his characterization in Team America to heart:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWTzyU5MFgM


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I didn't know what the term "Bush Doctrine" (in caps) meant before this clip, either. But I do agree with her: if we have legitimate and trusted intelligence that another country is going to move against us, we have the right and responsibility to act on it.

Problem is, you can't find legitimate and trusted sources any more. Hence, Iraq.


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Here is Jason Bourne pratically saying word for word what I said to my girlfriend when we say the VP pick on the news.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C6urw_PWHYk

Not sure if you knew this, but that's actually Matt Damon, the actor who played Jason Bourne.

I think he took his characterization in Team America to heart:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWTzyU5MFgM



Woah- you mean hes not really a secret agent? You know now you mention it he does look a little like that guy from dogma....


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Here is Jason Bourne pratically saying word for word what I said to my girlfriend when we say the VP pick on the news.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C6urw_PWHYk


I actually have a new found respect for him now. and almost for CBS as well... What was this on and where was it from?

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Here is Jason Bourne pratically saying word for word what I said to my girlfriend when we say the VP pick on the news.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C6urw_PWHYk


I actually have a new found respect for him now. and almost for CBS as well... What was this on and where was it from?


I just found it on Youtube when I was trying to find the Charlie Gibson interview- may have just been released recently....


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what bothers me is that even she says she has some foreign relation experience since you can see russia from alaska. give me a break... that's like saying you're ready to manage a burger king because you have a bbq in your backyard

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what bothers me is that even she says she has some foreign relation experience since you can see russia from alaska. give me a break... that's like saying you're ready to manage a burger king because you have a bbq in your backyard



The thing is in the real world where common sense and the laws of physics rule, a candidate like this would be Barack Obama dream come true, I mean she is so stupid all you need to do is in the debates let her talk and go and make some toast and by the time you come back she would have said somthing so stupid that no one would ever take her seriously again.Give her enough rope to hang herself, unfortunatly like I said this is the parallel universe here and she is obviously playing to the home crowd, from an interlectual stand point that is.


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what bothers me is that even she says she has some foreign relation experience since you can see russia from alaska. give me a break... that's like saying you're ready to manage a burger king because you have a bbq in your backyard


if you have a bbq in your backyard you're overqualified to run a BK

I also have a new found respect for matt damon matt damon


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I work for a very liberal left leaning newspaper (Buffalo News) and they had a front page article on how miserable she failed in the interview this morning. That said, wouldn't you know it I had to take a phone call from a angry customer this morning wanting to cancel her paper due to "your lies you keep spreading about Palin". It took every once of self control NOT to tell this cranky I FART A LOT to "get fucked" and absolutely tell her that it's because of nimrods like herself voting blindly, that this country is such a mess.

NOTE to self: Next person that glorifies Palin in front of you, punch out with considerable force.

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I'll pass on that suggestion.

We hit a local pizzeria at lunch time, and my friend (who has no "indoor voice") was talking about the "Bush Doctrine" interview incident. A guy at the next table piped up and said that she was duped, that it was a trick question, and not really addressing her answer.

He was reading the New York Post, of course.


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American Politics is mind-bottling- the republican party is like an episode of the outer limits where everything is opposite, down is up, backwards is forwards, change is more of the same.

The best thing of all is that Insane and Failin' will win.

Please turn your watches back 50 years and kiss your ass goodbye. :cry:


"The best thing of all"? Mark Twain did say that the traits of an ideal government were that it should be "small, and entertaining," but then, that was before nukes, and bioweapons, and anti-American jihadists, and, and, and, ...

Even I knew what the Bush Doctrine is, and I assure you that I am not remotely qualified to be the Prez (as if such assurances were necessary!).

This short clip - alone - should terrify anyone with all their marbles, as well as anyone who was previously considering voting for McBush and Caribou Barbie. I read somewhere (but can not vouch personally) that the actuarial odds are 1-in-3 that McCain would not survive his first term - If that's even close to correct, then Palin genuinely deserves a much harder look than a VP choice might otherwise receive.

I also wish the Dems could score some points by showing how the GOP in Congress is currently fitting us all out with knee pads and sandy Vaseline, in anticipation of the screwing they'll give us if the oil companies can whip up enough mania to grab all of the offshore drilling leases. They are doing everything possible to take advantage of current gas prices to glom on to these national assets - The GOP has even recommended that Bush veto the budget and shut down the entire government (again), unless Big Oil is awarded every single prize at the fair without having to shoot any of the ducks. This, after decades of protection for these areas, and in the face of indisputable (and undisputed) evidence that it will do nothing for gas prices.

It's just this kind of GOP-sponsored open and shameless thievery that I keep thinking folks will notice! Hello?

They want to 'Drill here, drill now?" Grrrr ... Open wide fellas, while I grab my Black & Decker ....


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While no one should expect the average citizen to know what the Bush Doctrine is, we should expect that our VP should know. She totally failed. And then later she denied she was a climate change denier. More of the same bullshit if you ask me.

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Off-shore drilling and Anwar Province are the new huge cash grab opportunities for Big Oil, now that the Iraq War may be winding down.

It's no coincidence that many of the speakers at the GOP convention were leading the chant "Drill Baby Drill!"

Human beings are creatures of emotion rather than logic. You can spend a lifetime attempting to preach peace to a vast populace, however hate and prejudice will spread just as far in seconds.

What's sad is the systematic spread of fear and disinformation have led to several political assasinations on US soil in the past. It really makes me sad when I try to have a somewhat cerebral conversation with someone who I feel is relatively intelligent, only to be met with responses like, "but I really think Obama could be the Anti-christ!"


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It really makes me sad when I try to have a conversation with someone who I feel is relatively intelligent, only to have hear responses like, "but I really think Obama could be the Anti-christ!"

That's what people said about Reagan (Remember, Ronald Wilson Reagan = 6 letters in each name.), and he was a big let-down in that department. ;p


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http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/09/12/ ... index.html

This is the funniest part for me:

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In 2006, Wooten was suspended for five days for using a Taser on his 10-year-old stepson "in a training capacity," drinking beer while driving his patrol car and illegally shooting a moose using his wife's permit.

Oh, Alaska...


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http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/09/12/palin.investigation/index.html

This is the funniest part for me:

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In 2006, Wooten was suspended for five days for using a Taser on his 10-year-old stepson "in a training capacity," drinking beer while driving his patrol car and illegally shooting a moose using his wife's permit.

Oh, Alaska...


According to the FBI:
Alaska is first in the nation per capita for rapes
Alaska is second in the nation per capita for murder of women by men

and Wasilla was the meth capital of Alaska


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So either today or yesterday Joe Biden released his earning for the past 10 years. He is the 2nd "poorest" congress man. Obviously if you read it he's not poor but I think what's interesting is he's really doing it for the love of it. CNN inquired to the McCain camp about him and Palin releasing their returns for the past 10 years and they said they would release it on "their time frame." I wonder why they won't throw it out there, maybe because both of them are insanely rich and can't relate it any way. I think they are looking for any way to keep themselves relating to the regular American, which obviously they can't. But he is a Maverick. :roll:

Did anyone catch the view? I didn't watch it but I was reading a transcript of it. I wonder why McCain said that Palin has had none, nor requested any earmarks in recent years. Funny cause it's been 100% proven that she asked for them.


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Did anyone catch the view? I didn't watch it but I was reading a transcript of it. I wonder why McCain said that Palin has had none, nor requested any earmarks in recent years. Funny cause it's been 100% proven that she asked for them.


he said it because he has rove proteges working his campaign, and one of their #1 tactics is to tell whatever lies they want over and over again regardless of facts proving otherwise. if they tell it enough times, people will believe it anyway or it will at least plant seeds of doubt

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Did anyone catch the view? I didn't watch it but I was reading a transcript of it. I wonder why McCain said that Palin has had none, nor requested any earmarks in recent years. Funny cause it's been 100% proven that she asked for them.


he said it because he has rove proteges working his campaign, and one of their #1 tactics is to tell whatever lies they want over and over again regardless of facts proving otherwise. if they tell it enough times, people will believe it anyway or it will at least plant seeds of doubt


Stupid McCain. It's insane because his campaign is lying over and over again. Their adds about Obama are untrue, it's ridiculous.


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Did anyone catch the view? I didn't watch it but I was reading a transcript of it. I wonder why McCain said that Palin has had none, nor requested any earmarks in recent years. Funny cause it's been 100% proven that she asked for them.


he said it because he has rove proteges working his campaign, and one of their #1 tactics is to tell whatever lies they want over and over again regardless of facts proving otherwise. if they tell it enough times, people will believe it anyway or it will at least plant seeds of doubt


Stupid McCain. It's insane because his campaign is lying over and over again. Their adds about Obama are untrue, it's ridiculous.


Both sides have been doing this. But McCain has taken a lot more liberties with the truth. In the SJ MERCURY today there is an article about a lot of McCain's tactics and distortions of the truth. "He falsely claimed that Obama supported "comprehensive sex ed" for kindergartners (in reality Obama supported teaching them to be alert for inapporpriate advances from adults.)"

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Did anyone catch the view? I didn't watch it but I was reading a transcript of it. I wonder why McCain said that Palin has had none, nor requested any earmarks in recent years. Funny cause it's been 100% proven that she asked for them.


he said it because he has rove proteges working his campaign, and one of their #1 tactics is to tell whatever lies they want over and over again regardless of facts proving otherwise. if they tell it enough times, people will believe it anyway or it will at least plant seeds of doubt


Stupid McCain. It's insane because his campaign is lying over and over again. Their adds about Obama are untrue, it's ridiculous.


Both sides have been doing this. But McCain has taken a lot more liberties with the truth. In the SJ MERCURY today there is an article about a lot of McCain's tactics and distortions of the truth. "He falsely claimed that Obama supported "comprehensive sex ed" for kindergartners (in reality Obama supported teaching them to be alert for inapporpriate advances from adults.)"



Yeah I agree it is true of both sides. I think that ad about sex ed is pretty crazy though. The way it portrays Obama is pretty mind blowing. I do think that the McCain campaign is pushing it over the edge. They are bending things so far to make it sound fucked I don't understand how people can believe it. What's weird is people take that as truth. I know people who have seen that ad and believe it, granted they were already against him to begin with but it's sad.


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