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I hate how Bale talks as Batman.


hell yeah. it annoyed the hell out of me as well. definitely not the greatest movie ever but it was enjoyable.

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Agreed on his voice, especially in the second one. Hated it, and yes if I had one other complaint besides the voice its that the city was literally chicago. I was like look there's that, oh and that....wait they didn't even cover up the sign etc... almost like they had to rush the shooting there.


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^oh that sucks, but that makes sense. Gotham didn't "feel" like NYC to me in the film.

I remember reading some article online about "the no. 1 thing people hated about the dark knight" and it was Bale's Batman voice. I never gave it much thought until then, but I always thought it was pretty cool how he was all gruff and whispery and shit--it was so strange. I mean, the guy had to disguise his voice to some extent, right? After seeing the movie again, I could see how his voice might be annoying tho. I still like the idea.

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^oh that sucks, but that makes sense. Gotham didn't "feel" like NYC to me in the film.

I remember reading some article online about "the no. 1 thing people hated about the dark knight" and it was Bale's Batman voice. I never gave it much thought until then, but I always thought it was pretty cool how he was all gruff and whispery and shit--it was so strange. I mean, the guy had to disguise his voice to some extent, right? After seeing the movie again, I could see how his voice might be annoying tho. I still like the idea.

I think with the voice, if he started it from the first movie, it would have been ok.

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I personally didnt watch it as a comicbook movie and I felt more people should have been able to see that with the trailers and promotions. Burton's was "comic-book" enough for me and I wanted something different. Im more than happy how they both have turned out, you really needed to watch it knowing it was a different take on Batman, a dramatic, darker take. Almost all the complaints I heard on radio and elsewhere was that it wasn't a "fun comicbook movie". But I still dont see how people were shocked, I thought it was obvious it wasn't going that direction.

I don't know if this was in response to me liking Ironman more, but I wasn't looking for The Dark Knight to be a "comic book movie". I was looking for it to be a dark, serious drama. I thought the first half of "Batman Begins" was perfect - WAY better than TDK. BB was part of the "comic" genre, but aspired (and achieved) to be a movie that transcended the genre. I think that TDK was less successful at transcending the comic genre. The only thing it had going for it over BB was the villain. I thought the Scarecrow was kinda weak, but the Joker was awesome! I wasn't expecting to like the Joker, but I really did.
Oh, another thing that bugged me was that Two Face was killed off immediately after they introduced him! WTF!?! I didn't read all the comics or anything, but my impression was that Two Face was the second most defining villain (behind the Joker).
But back to my "comparison" of TDK and Ironman - as others pointed out, Ironman was created just for fun and it succeeded. TDK had higher hopes than just entertainment, and didn't quite succeed. I didn't want TDK to be like Ironman - and it wasn't, but it wasn't different enough.

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It's virtually impossible not to like Morgan Freeman and Michael Caine. Both had some great scenes in the movie. I was glad they replaced Katie Cruise but was Maggie all that great? I thought she was fine but lots of people thought that she and Bale were the weakest actors in the film. With Bale, I think it's more the script and the way he chose to play Wayne/Batman. We know he's a good actor on a good day.


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I hate how Bale talks as Batman.


He sounds like he's trying to sound like Jack Donaghy from 30 Rock...

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I was glad they replaced Katie Cruise but was Maggie all that great?


Yeah, maybe it would've been more fun to watch Katie get blown up...


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Yeah, maybe it would've been more fun to watch Katie get blown up...


...as opposed to her career imploding due to general distaste for a certain husband... :twisted:


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::Ahem:: Please use the phrase "SPOILER!" for those who have NOT seen the movie yet.

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::Ahem:: Please use the phrase "SPOILER!" for those who have NOT seen the movie yet.


Oh hell. You're absolutely right. Sorry man.


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Bales voice was annoying, but if you were watching the movie and he used his "Bruce Wayne " voice everyone would be crying foul, saying that people would know Bruce was Bats because of his voice. Dont forget, batman is supposed to strike fear in the hearts of criminals.

The Imax scenes and under use of CGI were definet high points in the film.

Killing Two Face so quickly was a mistake. The Joker was a pleasant suprise( I thought I would hate him).

I definetly loved the part of the film were Michael Cain ( Alfred) suggests to Bruce that some men arent interested in anything else except watching the world burn.That defined the Joker to me.

I enjoyed it alot. I also though V for Vendetta was a great book, but a shit movie.

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BloodDrinker, the movie came out six months ago, you're probably better off not reading the thread.

I didn't see how they could have let Two Face live. It's not like you should expect a comic book movie to have such a high degree of realism, but someone in Harvey's condition wouldn't last more than a week or so before dying of an infection.


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I hate how Bale talks as Batman.


+1

it was fucking annoying.

at least it wasn't packed full of lame fake looking CGI

I thought it was kinda long...really violent.


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I hate how Bale talks as Batman.

:lol:
yeah, he must have studied Frog's voice from the Lost Boys sequel right before the 'as batman' shoots.

and even though i disliked both, i will definitely watch a 3rd.
and villain choices better be talia al ghul, bane, or deadshot...

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We agreed that the real strength of "Iron Man" is Robert Downey Jr. Without the personality he brought to that role, I'm not sure the script etc. would have worked so well as a solid entertainment.


Yep. The finale of Iron man is so butt. First half is great.

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The live action special effects and Imax sequences are miraculous.
How they got that 18 Wheeler to flip ass over head in downtown Chicago blows my mind.


Yep. Really enjoyed Dark Knight. Went in with low expectations and was really impressed.
Glad it wasn't full of cheesy cgi. Loved the movie score as well. End was a bit tacked on and dragged on too long.

Looks amazing on blu-ray :shock:

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BloodDrinker, the movie came out six months ago, you're probably better off not reading the thread.

I didn't see how they could have let Two Face live. It's not like you should expect a comic book movie to have such a high degree of realism, but someone in Harvey's condition wouldn't last more than a week or so before dying of an infection.


I know, I know, luckily I don't have anything invested in seeing this so it didn't SMASH it for me. Of course I assumed he died, just the "so soon" part after his incarnation is what I'd rather not have known. It would have been cooler to have him live to have a solid villain if they did a 3rd. I can't imagine who they'll use next, for this "comics in the real world" style he has going. I heard Nolan might bow out anyway but it's all nerd-rumors till a contract is signed.

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Make a Green Lantern movie. Make it good. Use Jordan, but introduce, momentarily, the others. Malkovich as Sinestro? Set up for a huge battle of Lanterns in a 3rd and final movie. Make it the type of movie a child can grasp and enjoy, but would consume an adult audience and introduce the major market to a character they only have had subtle exposure to. Don't make it suck.

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I saw The Dark Knight 4 times in cinemas, once as part of a back to back with Batman Begins (omg that was long), once on Imax and twice at my theatre.

I think as far as a comic book character film movie goes, it raised the bar tremendously. Think back to Batman Forever or Batman and Robin - they've come a long way with the movies...and it's certainly not easy to get a good comic movie...

As a blockbuster, Dark Knight is rare gem.

BD: They're scouting in NSW/Vic for locations to shoot the Green Lantern film - there's a flop in the making :)


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But look at "Batman" and "Batman Returns" the bar was raised, than lowered for the 2 after it, and than with Begins raised again. But the bar was set, those first 2 are amazing. I like them both more than Begins, but I KNOW I'm in the minority.

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Think back to Batman Forever or Batman and Robin - they've come a long way with the movies...and it's certainly not easy to get a good comic movie...


BD: They're scouting in NSW/Vic for locations to shoot the Green Lantern film - there's a flop in the making :)


I just want a good Lantern movie, he deserves it :cry:

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But look at "Batman" and "Batman Returns" the bar was raised, than lowered for the 2 after it, and than with Begins raised again. But the bar was set, those first 2 are amazing. I like them both more than Begins, but I KNOW I'm in the minority.

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Think back to Batman Forever or Batman and Robin - they've come a long way with the movies...and it's certainly not easy to get a good comic movie...


BD: They're scouting in NSW/Vic for locations to shoot the Green Lantern film - there's a flop in the making :)


I just want a good Lantern movie, he deserves it :cry:


a good green lantern movie would be my best dream come true! but someone other than WB needs to do it, and that just ain't happening. they won't use hal jordan, or even kyle rayner. it'll be guy gardner and g'nort doing stupid one-off story lines....

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The worst part about the Batman voice is that the audience has to hear so much of it. The movie has a pretty decent run time and features, in my opinion, a very "talky" batman. It just seems like Batman has to "do" the Batman voice way too often. I don't think a "normal" voice would've worked either. I think the filmmakers would have done well to take a cue from the animated series and gone with a more subtle, yet still effective, difference between the voices of Bruce Wayne and Batman.

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a good green lantern movie would be my best dream come true! but someone other than WB needs to do it, and that just ain't happening. they won't use hal jordan, or even kyle rayner. it'll be guy gardner and g'nort doing stupid one-off story lines....


I would think (and have heard via lame rumors) they'd do John just because he was the one they used in the JL cartoons. I like him more than a lot of the other Lanterns, but Hal is just classic. It'd have a good "am I really morally a good person?" type theme overall, and after the first could be turned into a huge sci-fi style film series vs. normal superheroics. It'd be fun, but I agree, I bet the botch it.

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a good green lantern movie would be my best dream come true! but someone other than WB needs to do it, and that just ain't happening. they won't use hal jordan, or even kyle rayner. it'll be guy gardner and g'nort doing stupid one-off story lines....


I would think (and have heard via lame rumors) they'd do John just because he was the one they used in the JL cartoons. I like him more than a lot of the other Lanterns, but Hal is just classic. It'd have a good "am I really morally a good person?" type theme overall, and after the first could be turned into a huge sci-fi style film series vs. normal superheroics. It'd be fun, but I agree, I bet the botch it.


after reading the whole Green Lantern: Mosaic series, i just can't like John Stewart anymore. he annoyed me so bad during that whole run. the reason i say hal and kyle is that the whole destruction of coast city by mongul and hal snapping and destroying all the corps, and than kyle becoming the only lantern left would make a great introduction to the story line. i know it doesn't go back to the roots, but, movie-wise, it would be a great start....

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a good green lantern movie would be my best dream come true! but someone other than WB needs to do it, and that just ain't happening. they won't use hal jordan, or even kyle rayner. it'll be guy gardner and g'nort doing stupid one-off story lines....


I would think (and have heard via lame rumors) they'd do John just because he was the one they used in the JL cartoons. I like him more than a lot of the other Lanterns, but Hal is just classic. It'd have a good "am I really morally a good person?" type theme overall, and after the first could be turned into a huge sci-fi style film series vs. normal superheroics. It'd be fun, but I agree, I bet the botch it.


after reading the whole Green Lantern: Mosaic series, i just can't like John Stewart anymore. he annoyed me so bad during that whole run. the reason i say hal and kyle is that the whole destruction of coast city by mongul and hal snapping and destroying all the corps, and than kyle becoming the only lantern left would make a great introduction to the story line. i know it doesn't go back to the roots, but, movie-wise, it would be a great start....


Yep , first movie, you introduce Hal in the first act, Show him meeting abin sur in the second act and learning the basics of the ring , and in the third act have him venture to space and Oa.
Second film , Hal is now a seasond vet, lotsa, space battling, and introduce other earth lanterns, big fight with Sinestro and plant the Paralax seed.
Third movie, Hal is consumed by paralax, other lanterns introduced in second movie have to fight Paralax, and in the end after alot of dead lanterns, the GL's prevail and Hal is captured and imprisoned on OA.
Fourth film , Hal still in prison but now free of Paralax, show build up of Sinestro Corps, Hal is freed from prison to help GL's beat Sinestro corps, GL's still dont trust him but they need his help, Gl's beat Sinestro Corps and Hal is vindicated and now back in the GL corps.

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a good green lantern movie would be my best dream come true! but someone other than WB needs to do it, and that just ain't happening. they won't use hal jordan, or even kyle rayner. it'll be guy gardner and g'nort doing stupid one-off story lines....


I would think (and have heard via lame rumors) they'd do John just because he was the one they used in the JL cartoons. I like him more than a lot of the other Lanterns, but Hal is just classic. It'd have a good "am I really morally a good person?" type theme overall, and after the first could be turned into a huge sci-fi style film series vs. normal superheroics. It'd be fun, but I agree, I bet the botch it.


after reading the whole Green Lantern: Mosaic series, i just can't like John Stewart anymore. he annoyed me so bad during that whole run. the reason i say hal and kyle is that the whole destruction of coast city by mongul and hal snapping and destroying all the corps, and than kyle becoming the only lantern left would make a great introduction to the story line. i know it doesn't go back to the roots, but, movie-wise, it would be a great start....


Yep , first movie, you introduce Hal in the first act, Show him meeting abin sur in the second act and learning the basics of the ring , and in the third act have him venture to space and Oa.
Second film , Hal is now a seasond vet, lotsa, space battling, and introduce other earth lanterns, big fight with Sinestro and plant the Paralax seed.
Third movie, Hal is consumed by paralax, other lanterns introduced in second movie have to fight Paralax, and in the end after alot of dead lanterns, the GL's prevail and Hal is captured and imprisoned on OA.
Fourth film , Hal still in prison but now free of Paralax, show build up of Sinestro Corps, Hal is freed from prison to help GL's beat Sinestro corps, GL's still dont trust him but they need his help, Gl's beat Sinestro Corps and Hal is vindicated and now back in the GL corps.


This sounds interesting but it's probably a far cry from Blooddrinkers idea of a cool movie. If I'm not mistaken...his favorite Star Wars movie..the baddest of the baddest was Return of the Jedi.
Unless the 3rd Act has little Gnort's running around.

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