Mr. Orwell, you're wanted on the phone.

http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/115 ... t-families

Yeah, the government comes up with some pretty crazy ideas froim time to time, shit like this won't go through and crap like the express just need something to get readers.

There is some pretty massive failings in the social services, that whole system needs a revamp.

Won't go through? The article sure makes it sound as though it already has:

Around 2,000 families have gone through these Family Intervention Projects so far.

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Not necessarily the world's worst idea. Some people are horrible parents (the article sites parents who are drug users and alcoholics), and while most people want privacy maintained for its own sake, the only people who suffer in broken homes are the children, while their lousy parents have their rights protected.

Hey, Andy...I agree with a lot of what you say but what disturbs me is that this feels like a 'foot in the door' situation. Once it is implemented in any form, no matter how small, it becomes much easier to implement it on a larger scale.

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jJ

Yeah I understand that's probably a common reaction. When you think about it, though, there are already thousands of cameras on city streets, so it's not as if we're "off the grid" in our daily lives. In the house cameras are certainly next level measures, but if you're unable to take an abused child (yes, malnourishment and depravation of education are certainly forms of abuse) from the household, then what's the alternative?

Personally, I applaud the British minister for having the Balls (sic) to propose this type of measure. Hard to imagine it happening in the US or other countries.

I guess what gets me more than anything is that scumbags are able to have kids in the first place. Part of me thinks there should be a license to parent.

Well, they did used to say, "anyone can have a baby, but you need to get a license for a dog".
Apparently the abuse of dogs went up when they got rid of the dog license. Because who's gonna pay out extra just to abuse the poor fuckers.

I do think the cctv in peoples houses is beyond a joke though. It's purely because social services can't do their jobs properly. It smacks of lazyness. These cameras won't be manned 24 hours a day, sending units round to help abused children. The footage will be used after, when the kid is hurt or even dead, so they can prosocute the parents. it won't prevent anything.
What they need to do is start paying decent wages to social workers, so the profession gets decent, smart staff, who can make a difference, through visits and the proper means.

I think the onus of blame should be on the scumbag parents who shoot or drink up while their kid goes hungry, not on social services. Not sure why, but with a lot of debates on social issues, blame always seems to go everywhere but where it belongs. Blame the teachers, blame the government, blame "society." Meh.

Putting a camera in the house is like leashing the dog. It's about control and enforcement. Random home checks are not the answer. Too easy to game the system.

The thing is, you can't stop people like that from having children, as we've seen. I mean, we could start putting sterilisation drugs in Mcdonalds or something, so we hit the right demographic .
Also, i bet this is only for parents that live in social housing, because they'd never get away with this in private premises.
Which is kinda saying, your poor, so your gonna abuse your child. Which of course, is very wrong, because rich people can abuse as well. Some of the biggest junkies around come from very, very rich backgrounds.
You right though, the parents are to blame, because they are the ones doing the abusing.
But you'd have to go back and look at they're parents and theirs before, to see the full fall of British society...............the rise of the Chav

I'm not into it. I applaud anyone trying to help kids who need it, but yeah, too easy to start saying:

"Oh, well you don't feed your baby enough, your abusive!"

"How do you know, we breast feed, how would you know what enough is?!"

"Well we made a standard and we measure by formula because the company who makes it gave enough money to this senator so now he owes them a favor, and now you're a bad parent for not going by our cookie-cutter-easy-in-court-rules CAMERA TIME!"

Paranoid? Yeah, maybe. With good reason because this stuff happens all the time but goes slowly so we don't notice it as much? I think so.

Do I have a better answer on how to help abused kids? No, not really, it's complex and, though I have opinions, all I can do is say what proposed ideas I like and dislike. I don't like this one.

1984 was not a warning. It was a declaration. And the NAZI's were not defeated. They just moved. I heard the Swine Flu vaccine will sterilize. It sickens me that Time Warner is airing "Doomsday" this month as the Swine Flu approaches. There was press release in the U.S. about the military working with FEMA for the Swine Flu shots and quarantines etc. Regional quarantines. Like a page out of the doomsday script.... good times!

Just out of curiousity....can you back that up with a credible news source?

For protection during sex chavs usually use a bus shelter.

A chav in a white shell suit is probably the bride.

A chav in a suit is called the accused.

A Chav in a nice house is known as a burglar.

Two Chavs in a car without any music usually means the police are driving.

What's the most confusing day of the year for a Chav?
Fathers Day!

How do you start an argument with a chav?
Speak!

What do you call a Chav in a box?
Innit.

What do you call a Chav in a filing cabinet?
Sorted.

What do you call a Chav in a box with a lock on it?
Safe.

Why are Chavs like slinkies?
They have no real use but it's great to watch one fall down a flight
of stairs.

What do you say to a chav at work?
Can i have a big mac please?

How do you identify the bride at a chav wedding?
She is the most pregnant one.

What do you call a chav with 9 GCSE's?
A liar.

Two chavs jump off a cliff. Who wins?
Society

If you see a Chav on a bike, why should you try not to hit him?
It might be your bike.

What's the difference between a Chav and a coconut?
One's thick and hairy, the other's a coconut.

What's the first question at a Chav quiz night?
"What you lookin' at?"

How does a chav girl turn the lights off after sex?
She closes the car door.

What's the difference between a battery and a chav?
A battery has a positive side

How do you get 100 Chavs in a Mini?
Throw in a Giro

How do you get them all out again?
Throw in a Job application

What do you call 20 chavs at the bottom of a river?
Good start

What’s the difference between a chavette and an orange?
One’s orange and pimply, the other is an orange

What do you call a chav in a job centre?
Lost

What's a chav's definition of safe sex?
Locking the car door

What do you call a group of chavs?
Crimescene.

What do you call a chav with more than 10 quid in his pocket?
Guilty.

What do you do if you run over a chav?
Reverse, just to make sure.

What do you call a chavette with two brain cells?
Pregnant

Whats so bad about 3 chavs going over a clif in a peugeot 106
You can fit 4 chavs in a peugeot 106

What do you call a chav in a church
Holy Shit

Why did the chav cross the road?
To start on the chicken

Two chavs jump off a building. Who lands first?
Who cares?

What did the chav get for christmas?
Your bike

What do you call a Chav at college?
The cleaner

Whats the difference between an onion and a dying chav?
Onions make you cry

How do you get a chav to wear a condom?
Put a Nike logo on it

^^ I don't know what a chaz is, but I assume this is how one would go about derailing a thread.

Which "credible" news source would you like? The General Electric news source? Or the Fox News news source? Actually I cannot back it up. I am probably spreading disinformation. You should check out William Cooper's book, "Behold a pale horse." Bill was shot dead by the Tuscon Sheriff's department. He was once called the "most dangerous man in America" by Bill Clinton. You know they guy that ruined Mexico with NAFTA and sent the rest of the jobs to CHINA.

That was some funny shit Alice.

Andy Chav's:

I'm not trying to put you on the defensive, I am actually just genuinely curious. For example, is it from an actual article or just heresay from another message board? All media is biased in one form or another, that much is obvious, but if I could actually be forwarded to some peer reviewed, scientific evidence supporting that the H1N1 vaccination causes sterilization, I would be very interested to see it.

I mean as far as detrimentals regarding where the HIN1 vacc is concerned there is no shortage of ammunition. Although i kind of doubt the sterilization fact, there are plenty of reasons to avoid being vaccinated, even if ordered by law.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=14618
(sorry for the derail)

No harm dude. At the risk of discrediting myself this comes from infowars.com. A platform which I believe is used as a leak to seed the population. If you hear "scary shit" from Conspiracy Theorists then it is easily dismissed as bullshit. Even if it is true. As H.P. Lovecraft said, "We can accept coincidence or draw conclusions." Or as Philip K. Dick said, "Paranoia is the beginning of understanding that all things are interconnected". Dr. Paul said the flu is not much more dangerous then the normal flu. That's why all eyes on the needles. Did you see the FDA had U.S. Marshall's raid hand sanitizer suppliers today or yesterday? They can't protect us from lead painted toys but they hit the hand sanitizers a month before the outbreak??!!?? WTF?
(( I read a Wayne Madsen article from 2003 that predicted exactly what would happen in Iraq....5 years before the MSM..))

Suspicions about a synthetic laboratory-made virus have surfaced. Writing in NewsMax.com, Dr. Russell Blaylock quoted an unnamed viroligist saying: “Where the hell it got all these genes we don’t know.” According to Blalock: “Debate continues over the possibility that swine flu is a genetically engineered virus.”

Dallas County Medical Director Dr. John Carlo voiced concern about the possibility that:

“This strain of swine influenza (may have been) cultured in a laboratory….something that’s not been seen anywhere actually in the United States and the world….”

Recently interviewed on Russia Today TV, investigative journalist Wayne Madsen cited a University of Wisconsin lab conducting joint influenza vaccine research with drug company FluGen. On March 24, Reuters reported that:

“FluGen, Inc., an emerging leader in the development, production and delivery of influenza vaccines and related products, today announced it has secured exclusive rights to a novel, patent-protected vaccine-delivery technology (that) painlessly delivers seasonal and pandemic influenza vaccines.”

Madsen believes “the Swine Flu virus began in a lab,” the objective being profits for vaccine makers with products “that may not actually be safe.” Many noted experts share that view about all vaccines.

NutriMedical founder Dr. William Deagle reported that 6-8% of Swine Flu DNA matches no virus on record. He believes more lethal strains may appear in the fall.

Project Camelot “provide(s) a vehicle for researchers and whistleblowers to get their stories out.” Interviewed on its Whistleblower Radio show, Burk Elder Hale claimed that a senior drug company biochemist (unnamed to protect him) told him:

“….an aerosoled precursor has been put into the air and almost everyone has breathed it into their lungs. (When Swine Flu) vaccines (are) administered in the fall, (they’ll) be activated when (their) constituents come into contact with the aerosoled precursor in the body and will cause a rapid spread of the H1N1 influenza A virus. The biochemist is very upset about the matter….and is a very reliable source that needs our utmost protection.”

Catherine Austin Fitts is a former high-level US government official and Wall Street insider. She’s now the editor of Solari.com and runs Solari, Inc. as an “online media company focusing on ethical investment and preserving family wealth.”

Admitting she’s no expert, she wrote this about Swine Flu on July 22:

“I believe one of the goals of the swine flu vaccine is depopulation. Perhaps it is the goal of a swine flu epidemic as well, whether bio-warfare or hype around a flu season….Lowering immune systems and increasing toxicity levels combined with poor food, water and terrorizing stress will help do the trick….a plague can so frighten and help control people that they will accept the end of their current benefits….without objection. And a plague with proper planning can be highly profitable. Whatever the truth (about) swine flu and related vaccines….it can be used (to) control (a) situation that is quickly shifting out of control.”

“In short, an epidemic can be used to offset the inflation of capital with increasing deflation of the value and income of labor and continual demand destruction. (What’s coming next is the) meaner face of ‘the establishment against the rest of society.’ ”

The possibility of a diabolical depopulation scheme can’t be dismissed. The idea’s been around for decades, including from the 1974 Henry Kissinger project – National Security Study Memorandum 200 (NSSM 200). It was backed by powerful economic interests to cull the world population of useless feeders so corporate giants could exploit world resources unimpeded.

Kissinger’s scheme was to make birth control a prerequisite for US aid. He wanted the annual death rate doubled and for a population decline in the hundreds of millions by 2000. Poor third world women in countries like Brazil were involuntarily sterilized. Millions were harmed then. Perhaps today’s toll from mandatory global Swine Flu vaccinations will be billions.

For us Yanks:

I think this is a case of conjecture vs peer reviewed evidence. They are both quite different.
If we are just speaking on conjecture I'd be happy to just post this:

conjecture is fun, but in the end that's all it is, fun. Taking fun too seriously leads to other people not taking you seriously, in my experience.

So they're kinda like "Juggalos?" But not into a shitty clown rap group?