If these are reissues, then wouldn't they look exactly like the old ones? Wasn't this already talked about in another thread?

In a LOT of other threads.

I have the ME -01 and when I was comparing the 2 the difference is huge if you ask me, and from pics I feel the same about the Head. I dont like the masking, vinyl color, and silver on the new ones as well as the leg spray on the evil. What I don't have is the yellow matching mutant head though ( the original version) , so hopefully this reissue will make its value drop so I can finally score it .

Yeah, if the aisle at any major toy retailer is an example, Star Wars is definitely not going down the tubes.

You guys can just come out and say it- no need to turn this into Business 101 for Mori. This is devaluing your collections of the old figures, and it feels kind of sucky.

if I can't tell the difference between the too variations with a quick glance then they are too similar (IMO). That is why the milky vinyl didn't bug me but these last few do. If these had been on clear yellow vinyl I probably wouldn't have said anything.

Either way it seems fairly obvious this kinda thing is hurting the brand and turning collectors away or changing their attitudes. If you don't believe me reread the thread.

I still buy RxH figures but I have no interest in these reissues and the regularity of them means I wouldn't pay more than retail for anything RxH these days. I guess this kinda thing just makes RxH less collectible over all and that bums me out.

I realize that Star Wars is a much bigger brand than RxH so maybe Rumble is a better analogy.

But are you guys are saying that Star Wars toys never took a hit or crashed when they released repaints?
Maybe the market has come back, but I distinctly remember hearing that repaints caused a crash.

you need new glasses...hahahaha

probably, of course you weren't around for these releases the 1st time around so you might not have the same perspective I do.

These releases also make me feel a little guilty since I sold the og's to people for $$$ and now they don't really have much value.

I agree also. I would've love to see Hone Borg in a rare OG colorway over a reissue (could you imagine a Hone Borg done up like the MH02?). But even more, I would also love to see some more kick-ass NEW colorways. I think RxH has some of my favorite colorways, but it seems like this year started out hardcore then kind of went kitty. BUT it had it's share of gems and this year's releases have been some of my favorite to date.

I think gargamel can get away with redoing stuff because they do some much new shit all the time. So it's not like "man I'm so glad they reissued something. they were kind of getting farty".

I don't know. RxH has been pumping out a lot of mini cats and redos lately (I like both just fine). in 2007 they were pumping out a lot of goldmist and unpainteds--we all bought them and bitched about it, and then BAM! new store and new sculpts and new vinyl colors and everyone is shitting their pants.

I'm looking forward to the new year. maybe RxH is just getting ready to bring the heat again and some new surprises.

As far as the direction of the brand devalumatizing our older (insanely overpriced) figures, I say, fuckit. it kind of blows but we can't do shit about it except sell lower (I'm still looking for the ME06).

if it's worth something in 15yrs, then cool--but I'll probably just keep them if I managed to keep them that long. I might be alone in this, but I don't really think about re-selling my figures much.

Vombie, I think you and I see exactly the same way on RxH I can't imagine selling them at all, and could care less about the resale value. Mori's pumping out awesome figures that I'm happy to buy, so what's the problem. In the past two months I've bought more brand-new full-priced RxH than ever before, so clearly they're doing something right.

I bought a few older figures recently and don't have a problem with what I paid for them. But there's no way I'd pay $$$ for the OG red Evil or the OG yellow Head. I paid close to retail for the Evil that this new one resembles so it doesn't sting too much. I'll probably keep what I have as I rarely sell stuff and maybe I'll have a different point of view in 10 years if I'm still collecting stuff.

I thought the large Fly Guy and Chaosman were exciting. Blue fades were exciting. Red Kamen Rider Evil (I believe that was early 2009) was exciting. These are not exciting to me.

I suppose the argument will be that RxH is just mixing it up. Something for everyone and you don't have to buy everything. But it just seems to water down the brand in my opinion. I don't see the upside.

Hmmm...Not really into these.

For the time being I will stick to collecting a few of the Yamazakura figures.

As for selling or buying the older figures for $$$, I wouldn't feel bad either way. Beyond original retail, no one should really have price or appreciation expectations for their toys- that's sort of an unhealthy path. I just traded big for the OG yellow MH and don't feel too bad about it. Yes, maybe I would have preferred the new set of yellows (so that I would have a matching set), but the originals are the originals. I think the paint styles will be different in-hand (almost tempted to buy one to compare) and reissues will not have the historic value of the originals.

The MH and ME sold out pretty quickly, so I think they fill a niche for many collections.

To me these "reissues" (I do not agree with this term btw) are fun, as they evoke OG colorways from like....5 years ago. If they mean similar colorways for other characters, like that pearl red vinyl head, with the light metallic blue (a la OG red Evil)....the BRING IT !

If you are into the OG releases, then you are into the OG "artisan" hand sprays. The paint on these releases looks a bit heavier, and factory finished...which is not a negative, just a major difference to a still punch-drunk RxH fan.

IMHO, RxH is doing enough with new characters, new paint designs, vinyl combos (bubble, glitter, milky), and new formats (the new larger Chaosman2 format is schweet)...that it can sustain some tribute releases, even if the tributes are unto the brand itself.

This all started with the brown booska released last year, and I was happy to get that figure for my collection, b/c so few of the OGs are attainable. This doesn't reduce my ambition to find the OG release whatsoever.

I am still hunting that OG red Evil in a big way !!

Hmmm
I better grab someone to help me translate into japanese
then shot Mori an email about stopping this "re-issue of OG with slight variance"

BTW, if the quantity of this re-issue is limited to like... 5-10. Would that be acceptable? But it is correct, re-issue may kill the brand.

No need, I am sure he will hear about it through the usually channels with the usual bias. I am also fairly sure he won't care.

I don't think it will devalue the originals, but I agree with Pogue about the brand is devaluing big time. I am also just as sad. I won't go any further as I have said enough already about it in this thread.

This OG went up in price for sure

I am actually happy that everyone is buying the new pointless releases.

As for Star Wars, I was there collecting vintage, and also the reissues (didn't buy though).
The figures dropped in price when too many collectors collected the same thing when the SW EP1 craze started much like RxH in that case but since Kaiju is such a small scene the bubble burst much faster and downhill more dramatically.

Great pic at least, kidclam.

I guess I just don't really understand the dilemma here... if people are buying the new release figures and Mori's not losing money by continuing to make toys, how is 'the brand' in danger? People are buying the toys and enjoying them, and there doesn't seem to be any reason for the release rate to drop, so why is the brand 'in danger'? How to aftermarket prices among a niche of collectors affect 'the brand''s survival? 'The brand' survives by moving forward and continuing to thrive and grow, right? Mori doesn't (and I assume, shouldn't) care what the aftermarket prices are like... people did and are buying the toys as he makes them, so in his mind it's a success, right? The idea of aftermarket prices being some litmus test for a brand's survival just seems like a really abstract measurement by a bunch of people who don't seem particularly focused on actually enjoying the toys as they have them (not that that describes anyone here, I'm just trying to understand the problem). Lower prices on the OG stuff should be nothing but a good thing, as newer and lesser endowed people can begin to afford these releases, or their 'reissue/OG-tribute' equivalent, bringing new people into the fold so the brand can grow and thrive. If all you see in your toy collection is a falling value, then you are looking at your toys for the wrong reasons.

Like Rumble Monsters brand reissuing their toys. it was to make a quick buck without thinking about the collectors that paid lots of money to get them. In this case the new releases are slightly different but it still pisses collectors off I guess since its obviously referring to the original... which was the only thing that created value for the brand. Which meant loyal customers growing and the survival of a brand.


By moving forward is never to look back?


I guess your idea of collecting is more like a child who buys toys to play literallly rather than on shelves for display and appreciation. Given the high retail cost of these toys, I doubt anyone has that frame of mind or else they will just go to toys r us to play. You see so many people selling toys here still in bags, and also obtain toys which are rare or of high value. So by saying that you are really talking about most of the board members here who are spending most of their savings on toys (which is another valid point to choose toys that retain value).

If people never saw their collection devaluing, I doubt you would have bought any of your toys here for those prices.

Funny, no body brings up the possiblity that the worst economy since the depression might be having an affect on the perceived value of this stuff. Old RxH is not the only line to lose perceived value on the second market.

I think its been mentioned a few times but its true in general.

Well, there's certainly no lack of truth about me in your post I can't get my toys out of the bags fast enough to start messing with them... sure they all end up on display on shelves, but that's just because it's the most convenient way to store the ones not in my grubby little hands

People sold those pieces at the prices they did because they overspent during the 'craze.' If you really liked a toy, why would you sell it at a fraction of retail price simply because it lost 'value'? Another explanation is that people did literally purchase them as investments (hence the MIB pieces), which is sad.

Frankly, your post sounds pretty elitist, and I'm hoping that it is just poor word choice. I agree with P5. If the toys are still selling and people are enjoying the toys, where is the danger? Are the toy companies obligated to preserve the investments of their customers? Maybe they should start including run numbers and little certificates of authenticity.

I guess I am doing it wrong because I keep buying Dream Rocket toys which rarely, if ever, sell for above original retail. Maybe I should hire you as my toy investment advisor.

oops.. yeah better word choice would have been better... it was a morning post sans coffee intake. i just meant collector versus buying toys to play... like Lego etc. (i am sure there are people collecting lego for investment too). I feel this scene is leaning towards collectors and the high prices is one way to show this.

anyone that is buying this shit for investment purposes is crazy.