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Kirby sues Marvel for rights to... well... Everything.
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backtrack
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 Kirby sues Marvel for rights to... well... Everything.
http://thresq.hollywoodreporter.com/2010/03/kirby-marvel-lawsuit.htmlIf you can't be bothered to clicky: Quote: IT'S ON! KIRBY ESTATE SUES MARVEL; COPYRIGHTS TO IRON MAN, SPIDER-MAN AT STAKE
By Eriq Gardner
The children of comic book icon Jack Kirby have officially sued Marvel to terminate copyrights and gain profits from such lucrative comic creations as Iron Man, X-Men, The Incredible Hulk and Spider-Man.
The suit, filed in U.S. District Court in Los Angeles, follows the September move by the estate to send out 45 notices of termination to Marvel and owner the Walt Disney Co., as well as Sony, Universal, Fox and others, hoping to recapture control of much of Kirby's work. In January, Marvel filed its own lawsuit, claiming the creations were "work-made-for-hire" and that Marvel was the real "author" of such works under the 1909 Copyright Act.
In the 1950s and 1960s, Kirby was instrumental in conceiving many popular characters and had a big hand with Stan Lee in helping flesh out and draw the Marvel universe. Kirby died in 1994, passing along his interests to his three daughters and one son.
The complaint seeks declaratory relief, including copyright termination and profits. It describes the backstory of Kirby's creative period, particularly from 1958 to 1963, when Marvel existed in a tiny office with few employees and relied upon "freelancers to which they had little or no obligation." Kirby disputes Marvel's work-for-hire theory.
Because Kirby often worked in tandem with others, particularly Lee, the complaint is careful about what the estate believes it is entitled to control: "With respect to Co-Owned Kirby Works, as of the respective Termination Dates, Defendants will jointly own the copyrights to such works for their renewal terms: both Plaintiffs and Defendants will have the non-exclusive right to exploit such jointly owned copyrights..."
In other words, even though various studios currently have a license to produce movies such as "Spider-Man" (Sony) and "X-Men" (Fox), the estate's court action could give it the ability to license competing versions. If it wins termination, that is. Disney and the other studios are sure to throw all of their superpower legal muscle at this fight.
The Kirby estate doesn't state how much it thinks it's owed, but any termination of copyrights could be worth tens of millions of dollars, if not more. Last year Disney bought Marvel for a whopping $4 billion.
One surprise in the lawsuit is an unexpected claim under the Lanham Act. The lawsuit targets two films, "The Incredible Hulk" released in 2008 and "X-Men Origins: Wolverine" released last year, as films that it claims were misrepresented in commercial advertising and promotion. The estate claims that Kirby was not properly identified as being the author or co-author of these works. The estate is seeking "up to three times the damages they sustained and will sustain," which isn't specifically identified, but could be significant. "Wolverine" made almost $375 million in worldwide gross.
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Punkin Donuts
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In other words, his kids need Ferraris. 
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COOP
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Punkin Donuts wrote: In other words, his kids need Ferraris.  Under U.S. copyright law, creators or their heirs may file to regain copyrights, at a certain period of time after the original transfer of rights. I think it's either 50 or 45 years. Kirby was never properly rewarded for almost singlehandedly creating the marvel universe, (properties that disney just bought for 4 BILLION dollars!!) kinda hard to begrudge the family for wanting a bit of a payback. I know from previous lawsuits the Kirby estate has filed, this is more about recognizing Kirby as the creator of these characters, as much as anything else.
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It's about time.
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That's pretty insane. I think its deserved considering I and most likely many, many others were under the impression stan lee was the creator of these characters. Iv always liked comics but iv never been huge into them and I imagine there's plenty of people who were similarly "misled".
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It's pretty undisputed that the real creator/co-creator behind those silver age Marvel characters was Kirby. The snafu is that he created them as " work for hire" according to Marvel and now Disney. What the definition of " work for hire" really entitles him to, is wherein the battle lies.
There have been plenty of articles, interviews written in the "Comics Journal" over the years including great transcripts of Frank Miller speeches regarding the Kirby, Lee, Marvel creations that make great observations and point to some compelling facts. Really great reads.
Lee never really created anything unless you count a couple of characters in the 40s he supposably co-created. Kirby has been creating characters and stories since day one. Prior to Marvel, he and Joe Simon created Captain America, he created the Fighting American, Boy Commandos, Sandman, etc...it goes on and on.
Yeah, I'd say he is due. Unfortunately, most of the great comic creators were not great business men and didn't protect themselves or their creations very well, Kirby and Siegel are the biggest examples. Bob Kane was the exception, his father who was in the printing business during the beginning of the golden age of comics, advised and made sure his son's creations were legally protected so that he would get his cut / share of royalties.
One of the most in-depth written books on the history of comics and one that details the struggles of Jerry Siegel and Joe Schuster, Superman's creators, is "The Men of Tomorrow" by Gerard Jones. It's one of the most engrossing books on comics I've ever read, I couldn't put it down.
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nefasth
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backtrack wrote: By Eriq Gardner The children of comic book icon Jack Kirby have officially sued Marvel to terminate copyrights and gain profits from such lucrative comic creations as Iron Man, X-Men, The Incredible Hulk and Spider-Man.
I think Ditko was the visual creator of Spider-man, not Kirby.
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Jobber
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They don't call him the King for nothing! Dude was such an innovator!
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bryce_r
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nefasth wrote: backtrack wrote: By Eriq Gardner The children of comic book icon Jack Kirby have officially sued Marvel to terminate copyrights and gain profits from such lucrative comic creations as Iron Man, X-Men, The Incredible Hulk and Spider-Man.
I think Ditko was the visual creator of Spider-man, not Kirby. There's some article about it somewhere but there are two versions of the story. In 1 Lee and Kirby supposedly came up with the concept and Kirby initially drew out sketches of the character. Ditko inked them and later redesigned them to Lee's liking. In the other story...Kirby claims that he and Simon came up with the character and Lee had minimal involvement. Anyway..it's too bad that all these great creators back then couldn't secure the rights to their characters. It would nice to see the Kirby estate get something.
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Kirby's son was a science teacher at my middle school in Aliso Viejo. He never wanted to talk about his dad or his work and he never let anyone read comics in class.  I never looked at Kirby bubbles the same after a few detentions from his son, a hard year in his class and a ton of extra assignments hahahahaha.
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