I think I'm going to have this thread removed, cuz I don't see why I need to post what I paint here anymore...

Pinky swear!

you know it, well maybe not...

It's nuts that it blew up like this
I saw the photos on Flickr earlier this afternoon and immediately forwarded them on to a friend (note: not Sanjeev) asking if it was as Gargamel-biting as I thought. I was assured I wasn't alone, and then hours later getting SMS about the thread coming to life.

Wow... didn't realize it was that important

so you're the one that started this!!

did the comments really get deleted from the Monster Kolor site? wtf?

is it considered bootlegging because the "gargamel" paint-job is on a gargamel toy? i've been wanting to find someone to paint me up a smoking star in the "gargamel" camo look. but i want to know if i'm setting myself up for a stoning. if that is the case, i will totally keep it under the table.
i always believed bootlegging is when you steal the mold, and knock-offs are when you steal the idea, right? since gargamel more or less bootlegged the zag character, isn't this like a knock-off of a bootleg? and i am still (and always will be) confused on what bootlegs are ok and which ones aren't. in the early parts of the Non-Vinyl American Toys section, people were rejoicing on how much they loved warrior beasts, which are total knock-offs of motu. isn't new toys painted up in tokyo and hawaii colorways ko'ing/bootlegging the idea from vintage bullmark? are knock-offs and bootlegs only acceptable if they are obscure and old? i love bootlegs. i love knock-offs.

I've known through the years that drama starts in Texas. well mostly cause my family is here and survive only on drama and miller lite.

Wow! This Skullbrain stuff is serious. I wish I had someone that interested in what's going on here that i can sms them at anytime just to let them know whats going on.

On that note send me your number so we can gossip about this .

It was my pic, and looking at it with all these comments that upset me, made me not want to look at it. So I deleted them... I was just going to delete the pics, but I can delete any comments I want from my pics...

Also, to anyone who thought I was flying off the handle earlier... Sorry, I have been driving around for 4 hours rushing my 6 month pregnant fiance to the Doctor cuz she was presenting with symptoms that led to the loss of our last 2 babies, so at the moment, and even now, me painting a toy camouflage isn't really a big fucking deal in the grand scheme of things, or mainly, in my life...

Blah blah blah.
Keep things civil.
No need to delete shit.
Haters will always hate.

Truth.

Yupyup. It was never clear if their lifting Zags (and Smoguns, I believe) from some guy's comics was actually approved by the author. What about the Marios and G&G? Are those licensed? (Hey, for all I know they might be, I just think the Japanese take on copyright is slightly different from what it is here).

The Marios and Microman stuff and others were licensed. Marios were a one-day license for the show/fest.

Talking IPs really missed the point of the grievance here... D-Lux is all about artists developing personal 'styles', but what he has demonstrated here is that, even though he thinks everyone should have a 'thing', he's not above borrowing other artists' 'things'.

But see... Camo is not their THING, they've done a few camo pieces out of HUNDREDS. I did camo figs before they did camo zags. It's not a crazy novel idea to paint something camo... I liked their camo, and i painted 2 camo... Mine are nothing like theirs, much chunkier, etc... I've seen people paint a MILLION rainbow fades, which I've done probably 30 of...

I made ONE comment on using flake heavily because someone criticized I used it a lot, so I answered in a fitting manner. I decided to make a TON of toys using flake, so people would think "d-lux?"... That was MY way of keeping all the newjack painters with $15 to spare for MK flake to maybe think twice about using it. It was at the time, a way to distinguish my customs. I could have painted the base coat like 25 other artists styles, and still tossed flake on it. It was making a finish my own, not a style, or paint pattern

Yeah, some people may think gargamel, but who cares. I made 2 camo zags, not 20, and not the same. Camo does not define Gargamels toys. If you were to only say that Camo is the defining style of Gargamel, I think it would be slightly insulting to them.

Also might I add, if I were to paint a zag with a circle on the belly a spray here and there on the arms and legs, and by the eye, would that be copying too??? The standard paint layout is copied time and time again, and not just on this figure...

If people wanna make this the battle, they need to start calling out ALL painters, cuz we've ALL painted a toy in a production spray pattern. Hell some are straight up using VERY specific techniques that other artists use!

These were homages, nothing more... And today was LITERALLY the first time I saw a split zag, I just dont keep up on them like that...

No, that would just be boring, like all those production and custom Zags already in that layout.

If D-Lux is bootlegging Gargamel by painting camo, than Gargamel is bootlegging the U.S. Army, and hunters everywhere...

Similar colors, completely different camo pattern, that's like saying the neo Hawaii Rose Vampire was a boot of a Hawaii color scheme or that gargamel booted their Hawaii spray, this isn't a race to put a spray on your toy first (is it?)...

Do you really think he would be bringing bootleg sprays onto a site with so many discerning Gargamel fans, if he was taking a bite out of Kiyoka...

P.S. I love Gargamel, but the last I heard Mario, Luigi, Mightins, Zags, Smoguns, etc... Were all somewhere else before Gargamel put their twist on them, Look at the grey and red buto trashman, that's a pretty famous color scheme right?...

P.P.S I really do like Gargamel a lot... But there isn't any shame in D-Lux's step...

We're not talking established schemes that have been seen across toys and by multiple makers that hearken back to the Bullmark toys. We're talking a special one-off style that the one guy from Gargamel uses on his one-offs for shows and is distinctly his.

Yeah but even those half the time dont look camo... the first green one, yes... but most of the colorfull camo Gargamel Zags look more like confetti...

I just don't see where all this is going??? I posted a couple pics people could have ignored, said "cool" or said "don't like". These toys have been painted, and boxed up. They exist, and the owners love them. And that's all that matters. I didn't take any money out of Gargamels pocket. I paid $95 for their $12 toy. They made FAR more than me, on my own custom...

Also lets stop saying bootlegging... I didn't make a mold of any zag, and sell it as a genuine figure...

Also I think it's funny that bootlegging this is bad, but people will suck their neighbors dick for a bootleg Kaws whateverthefuckhe'sIPinfringing now figure....

this is pretty silly to me. i didn't see him(d-lux) claim that these were gargamel customs and anyone that has this "deep historical knowledge" of gargamel customs will know its not one. if people have a problem, i say whatever to them. someone asked you to do something in a specific pattern that another artist happens to have done. is everyone now banned from doing camo/split colorways now?

if someone puts an X over the eyes of something, are we then gonna have to hear about how kaws owns the rights to it when cartoons makers have done it before he was even shitting his diapers?

meh, whatever, as you were...

EXACTLY! I was hoping people would dig my take on the camo zag... As for the 2 tone, I really had no clue they made one, but I think mine is different enough... Like I really want all this grief?! lol

I understand what your saying it and I really don't want to argue but is there such a huge difference in production sprays and one offs? How many times do you have to do a spray before it becomes yours?

The real issue is why do you feel the need to come around and hate on this guys work... I've seen you come down on his painting a few times now, and so far he's been nothing but civil... If you don't like his work why keep coming around to check it out and put him down? I know that I don't spend the day looking up old NSync songs from the 90's, why you hanging out in his space?

Reading your posts makes me not want to defend you.
However:



http://www.amazon.com/DPM-Disruptive-Ma ... 095434040X



etc

I think saying doing a camo pattern is bootlegging is a far cry from the LASH debacle a couple years ago.