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greg
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 Black Flag versus Flag I've been listening to alot of Black flag lately and how many people think Rollins ruined that band? Then again not sure if it was Ginn or Henry who wanted the songs over five minutes long and just boring jamming. Also who's your favorite BF singer? I have to go with Keith Morris.
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Re: Black Flag This discussion actually came up here before. Most of us leaned againt Henry. I cant even stand him as a radio dj or LAWeekly contributer because he is damned self referential. On the flipside he was a good punk performer and he has a great eclectic love for music.
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Re: Black Flag I'm a fan of every phase Black Flag has gone through (maybe cut out the spoken word album), in my opinion to say Henry "ruined" the band is a huge stretch.
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Re: Black Flag Maybe ruined was too harsh since I do love the Henry era to. But going from album to album the shift in music is quite drastic when listened back to back.
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Realdeaocho
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Re: Black Flag Love the band in all its incarnations, though Keith is special. I find most anything Rollins does entertaining. The source of the comment that he "ruined the band" came from him directly and has been hashed to death. I would recommend that you do NOT want to get in a one on one conversation witth him. That mother can talk! Its not so much a conversation as being the only person at a spoken word show. I felt victimized for 30 minutes. 
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Re: Black Flag I know this is a controversial opinion, but my person feeling is the band reached it's highest, most defining point, with Damaged. Henry brought a lot to the band & was a big part of that. Read 'Get in the Van; if you haven't...
Don't get me wrong, I love the earlier material just as much.
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Re: Black Flag zutphen wrote: ...the band reached it's highest, most defining point, with Damaged... I feel like this too. I love the stuff pre-Damaged and post-Damaged, but from my experience and observation, people seem to remember material from Damaged the most. At least those my age 
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Re: Black Flag i was just listening to rollins only black flag yesterday. i dont consider myself "punk" nor do i know anything really when it comes to punk- but the rollins era black flag is so good to me. longer songs, nice songwriting, different compositions with song structures, even instrumental songs.
i love "rats eyes", and especially the spin off band called "rats eyes" fronted by the Locusts drummer
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Re: Black Flag I'm a heretic, I loved Slip It In when it came out and I still listen to it now. I don't know what else to add to this so please let the shit talking begin.
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Re: Black Flag Keith > Dez > Henry > Ron.
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Re: Black Flag Baikin wrote: I'm a heretic, I loved Slip It In when it came out and I still listen to it now. I don't know what else to add to this so please let the shit talking begin. I understand. I loved the Discharge "Grave New World" album when it came out (the one with the pinched nuts vocals).
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Re: Black Flag I love all incarnations of the group....
Although that being said,,,my war is tops for me...followed by slip it in....
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Re: Black Flag greg wrote: Then again not sure if it was Ginn or Henry who wanted the songs over five minutes long and just boring jamming. My guess would be Ginn. I saw him the year before last at a house show in Baton Rouge & he must've played for 3 hours! all by himself just noodling the fuck out on guitar over some pre-recorded tracks or a looper or who knows. It was a mess.
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Re: Black Flag I think when it comes down to it, Black Flag would have gone in the musical direction it went regardless of Rollins. Rollins was along for the ride and did an awesome job of adapting.
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Re: Black Flag if it happens,,,I'll go..
also,,bleedingedge has a good point,,,I think greg ginn was the main force behind their musical direction..
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Re: Black Flag Greasebat wrote: Baikin wrote: I'm a heretic, I loved Slip It In when it came out and I still listen to it now. I don't know what else to add to this so please let the shit talking begin. I understand. I loved the Discharge "Grave New World" album when it came out (the one with the pinched nuts vocals). Lol, I cringe in delight when I listen to that record. I would guess Ginn also, from what Ive read and heard over the years it sure sounds that way.
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Re: Black Flag Definitely pre-Rollins. Never cared for his stuff. The Black Flag in The Decline of Western Civilization is best.
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Re: Black Flag Kinda shocked Ron is doing this. Isn't he a minister or something now? Born again something 
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Re: Black Flag Moody Roots Newsletter wrote: BLACK FLAG has reformed and is in the process of putting finishing touches on a new album with founder Greg Ginn on guitar, Ron Reyes on vocals, Gregory Moore on drums and Dale Nixon on bass.
The one constant member throughout the history of BLACK FLAG, Ginn -- named one of Rolling Stone's "100 Greatest Guitarists Of All Time" -- defined the west coast punk sound and the DIY ethos of punk rock. Greg Ginn also currently plays with Good For You and Greg Ginn And The Royal We.
Ron Reyes of Decline Of The Western Civilization fame was the BLACK FLAG vocalist from The Church / Jealous Again era. Reyes also currently plays guitar in Piggy.
Gregory Moore has played with Gone and BLACK FLAG (2003) and brings his relentless and driving drum style to the band.
Notorious for not touring, Dale Nixon never-the-less played bass on the My War album and is the author of iconic BLACK FLAG bass lines such as Jealous Again, Nervous Breakdown, Six Pack, TV Party, Revenge, Gimme Gimme Gimme etc... etc... While Dale has lent his skills to the new album, he is currently contractually obligated for a stint on Celebrity Rehab. Still, as he has always done in the past, he will continue to provide insight and spiritual guidance to the current bass player.
The seeds of this reformation were planted when Reyes invited Ginn to perform with him at his birthday party some two and half years ago. Needless to say -- the party was a blast and the two vowed at that time to work on some songs together. The fruition of those efforts will culminate in the release of the new album later this year.
Far from being a one-time grab, this reformation has BLACK FLAG recording and touring extensively both in the US and abroad.
BLACK FLAG is headlining the Muddy Roots Music Festival in Tennessee, Saturday August 31st, 2013. Muddy Roots is 100% independent and promotes artists ranging from bluegrass, old country to punk rock and everything in between. 3 days of camping WITH 60 bands.
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Re: Black Flag Huh good to know. This is where I was looking and there's a interview or quote with Ron talking to his pastor about Flag. http://www.ipass.net/jthrush/flagmem.htm
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Re: Black Flag I'm kinda excited about this...if they come by, I will go
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Re: Black Flag I would also be totally down for this.
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