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akum6n
Prototype
Joined: Sat Nov 04, 2006 12:03 am Posts: 6162 Location: Shima
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 Re: Deadbeet
I think those are all valid points. But let me ask you this- how does this toy differ from anything produced by Monstock? You could level all of those accusations at Monstock's toys- no back story, simple paint schemes, numerous super-limited releases, etc. (I don't agree on the lack of detail, though; if nothing else, this toy is pretty well sculpted.) But most people here seem to agree that Monstock stuff is pretty decent... desirable, even. I like Monstock.
The only difference that I see at the end of the day is that Monstock stuff is designed by Japanese artists, whereas Deadbeet is designed by a U.S. (?) artist.
I guess you could argue that Monstock stuff is superior on subjective criteria, but objectively, the circumstances of production and sale seem pretty similar to me. Moreover, I don't see any clear quality deficiencies in this toy. Why the difference in reaction?
Don't get me wrong- there is a lot of crap coming out in JP vinyl form these days... this just doesn't strike me as one of the toys that deserves to be dragged through the mud.
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psilo110
Side Dealer
Joined: Thu Mar 17, 2011 5:38 am Posts: 2476 Location: NY NJ PA
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 Re: Deadbeet
Beating a dead horse here but like I said on page 1, I don't have a problem with the toy... only how Scott doesn't seem to contribute much to this forum other than canned hype for his next release. as for all the flaming back and forth, you know how it goes: opinions are like orgasms, and only mine matters =)
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EtR_Wolf
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Joined: Sat Jun 19, 2010 10:43 pm Posts: 878 Location: Chicago
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 Re: Deadbeet
psilo110 wrote: ... you know how it goes: opinions are like orgasms, and only mine matters =) Hey! Don't forget about your partner's/significant other's/lover's/etc. orgasm! Their orgasm matters/is important as well. Now, don't be selfish. 
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sbbenhcs
Comment King
Joined: Wed Sep 22, 2010 8:20 am Posts: 1495 Location: my kind of town
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 Re: Deadbeet
psilo110 wrote: Beeting a dead horse... that's just comedy gold. skullbrain continues to be simultaneously the greatest and worst place on the interweb to hang out. i think this is a cool looking, well sculpted and produced toy. who's to say this is more of a "platform" than a zag? or any of the chima group stuff? or a bemon or nag? it's all subjective... isn't it? that said, i don't think i'd ever buy one... i hate beets. then again, i mainly collect bwana's stuff, so most of you will poop on my opinion as lacking worth anyway. now i'll go back to my corner, and keep my orgasms to myself. 
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JMRampage
Toy Prince
Joined: Wed Feb 16, 2011 1:20 pm Posts: 497
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 Re: Deadbeet
Appropriate criticism? You mean angry, whiny, purist commentary hiding behind an avatar and screen name reminiscent of devil worship?
Well, all I can say is that the people who work with me (should I start a list for you, so you know who to target), know better than to take your opinion of me seriously.
If I WERE to be removed from SB (as per your request), well that would be unfortunate... I have thus edited my comment to remove the un-PC verbage, and will keep in mind in the future that such derogatory terms are not to be used. My sincerest apologies to any who may have been offended by the use of the 'R' word. My wife works with mentally disabled children, so I should know better than to throw that word around. My mistake.
Kind of hurt my feelings that you used the word 'sucks' about this toy. I motion for 666doll's removal as a result of his overexagerated badgery.
Nah - just kidding. It can be funny at times.
So, anyway - cool toy Scott!
And, Chris - orgasms? Huh?
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Fri Feb 01, 2013 9:38 am |
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brobles
Post Pimp
Joined: Thu Apr 21, 2011 12:18 pm Posts: 2899 Location: Phoenix
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 Re: Deadbeet
psilo110 wrote: opinions are like orgasms, and only mine matters =) Kudos to you for not using that ever so clichéd "opinions are like assholes..." bullshit that likes to get thrown around here every time opinions don't coincide. At least this is funny and somewhat true for a lot of us here.
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Fri Feb 01, 2013 9:49 am |
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akum6n
Prototype
Joined: Sat Nov 04, 2006 12:03 am Posts: 6162 Location: Shima
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 Re: Deadbeet
Birds of a feather...
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Fri Feb 01, 2013 9:54 am |
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stolleboy
Toy Prince
Joined: Thu Oct 11, 2012 5:25 pm Posts: 137
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 Re: Deadbeet
666doll wrote: I was wondering when my appropriate criticism would turn into personal attacks and name calling. Retard, really?! Just proves my point as to the direction of this message board. I can care less if this Tolleson character is a nice guy, that wasn't and isn't the point. The point is that this toy does not belong here and is simply put a lump of crap. Others have pointed out (rightfully so) that it seems queer that someone who hasn't participated on these boards all of sudden claims to have been a "lurker" for ages and only now decided to post. Coincidentally with something to sell. Stolleboy is a troller and an opportunist. He (like many others) is what is wrong with this particular hobby. You've had twenty-something posts, and only a few of them where you make a comment in another thread, ALL directly related to you and what you produce. Lack of detail: So you create something in the form of a root vegetable and you add a puerile expression, eyes, articulated accoutrements and a band-aid. Okay, I guess I stand corrected. Lack of back story: A press release paragraph does not make a back story. Especially if you have to ask someone else to write it. Lack of a creative paint application: Really people?! I count a half dozen of these releases since October of last year and the only one that was painted in more than one or two colors is the version by Nebulon 5. Can anyone on here (with a straight face) seriously tell me the paint application has been creative compared to say, I don't know PK, Blobpus, Koji... Platform toy: Yeah, you bet. At least with other platform toys, the companies producing them seem to find some talent to apply their ideas onto them. This character has worked with established kaiju/sofubi/vinyl stores and companies... so what. Because a handful of retail stores carry your product, that redeems you or your crappy attempt at a toy? @ Tolleboy; you "roll your eyes and laugh" because you have no come back. You have no way to defend this turd trap, your reasons for producing it, and especially trying to sling it here. Wait... that's right, lucre.@ David; You aren't really going to compare one of Doki's designs to this, are you?! As for Skinner, he gets crapped on here all the time and called out for being opportunistic as well. He's not immune. Comparing Rose Vampire to this, ding-ding-ding, thanks for driving my point home. And for the record, I think I've been pretty vocal about that toy and others coming out of the S7 caves. Lastly, regarding the complete douche (JMRampage) who called me a retard. Since when is this okay on the boards? It's not that I can't take it. Bring it on little man. But this is a pretty derogatory and inflammatory term (as people have pointed out). And I'm not even remotely PC, but I feel this has crossed a line and this dude needs to get the boot. Furthermore, some of you work with this guy and should rethink it. Is this really the type of bigoted, low life twat you want to be associated with? I could continue, but why... Just sayin  What's your favorite color? Mine is blue with just a little bit of green.
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Fri Feb 01, 2013 10:48 am |
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SpankyStokes
Toy Prince
Joined: Thu Aug 14, 2008 10:29 am Posts: 102 Location: San Diego - El Cajon
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I'm a fan of unpainted black 
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Fri Feb 01, 2013 10:54 am |
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JMRampage
Toy Prince
Joined: Wed Feb 16, 2011 1:20 pm Posts: 497
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 Re: Deadbeet
I like clear 
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Fri Feb 01, 2013 10:59 am |
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coma21
S7 Royalty
Joined: Wed Apr 06, 2011 10:19 pm Posts: 3213 Location: Duke City New Mexico
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 Re: Deadbeet
I like Robin Egg Blue 
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Fri Feb 01, 2013 11:15 am |
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Realdeaocho
Toy Prince
Joined: Mon Jun 11, 2012 10:28 am Posts: 184
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 Re: Deadbeet
Blood Red for me thanks.
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Fri Feb 01, 2013 11:26 am |
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The Blot
Toy Prince
Joined: Sat Sep 26, 2009 8:32 pm Posts: 467 Location: Houston, TX
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 Re: Deadbeet
Clear with Silver Glitter!
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Fri Feb 01, 2013 11:43 am |
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moodydoom
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Joined: Wed Apr 27, 2011 5:19 pm Posts: 864 Location: Europe
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 Re: Deadbeet
If this was some hobbyist or amateur just here to shuck their random wares on Skullbrain every 5 minutes, fine, chase them off with a stick. In the cases of both Skinner and Scott, established artists with multiple toys, a certain amount of respect, or at the very least courtesy, is in order. It's called manners. These are guys that are working to make toys, every day in some way. I get not liking it, I get critically discussing it. I don't get chasing it off and condemning it for not conforming to very personal and highly subjective standards. I don't understand what benefit could possibly come from chasing creators away, especially guys that are self-producing. I mean, what the fuck man, what joy could you possibly get by shitting all over someone's self-made work. You might not like the Beet, but who knows, the next thing that comes along could blow you away. I only need to look at this  vs.  to understand why it's better to be open than closed-off. plastichunter wrote: gatiio wrote: Look at your shelves and think about where you would put it. I don't know, I think he fits just fine.  @Connell: Is there an interior designer/decorator equivalent for displaying toys? You should look into it as a full time job! Your displays make so many seemingly unrelated toys look so damn good together.
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Fri Feb 01, 2013 11:57 am |
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primecookie
Fresh Meat
Joined: Tue Apr 10, 2012 9:12 am Posts: 72
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i LOVE EMERALD
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Fri Feb 01, 2013 12:40 pm |
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Anti Social Andy
Die-Cast
Joined: Thu Feb 02, 2006 10:06 am Posts: 8253 Location: The Grim North
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 Re: Deadbeet
moodydoom wrote: I get not liking it, I get critically discussing it. I don't get chasing it off and condemning it for not conforming to very personal and highly subjective standards. I don't understand what benefit could possibly come from chasing creators away, especially guys that are self-producing. I mean, what the fuck man, what joy could you possibly get by shitting all over someone's self-made work. You might not like the Beet, but who knows, the next thing that comes along could blow you away. I got no problem with the toy, I even had respect for Mr Tolleson . . . but the overwhelming whiff of bullshit from the 'I'm one of you guys' (but only to pimp my shit) rhetoric tipped the balance! The next product could indeed blow everyone away, but by the same token Killercucumber, Poltergeistpotato or Psychosalami could equally suck balls because everyone's already been suckered into having the emotional investment and compulsion to buy! Gotta love hype psychology! I <3 Toys!
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Fri Feb 01, 2013 1:50 pm |
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IronPaw
Comment King
Joined: Sat Sep 08, 2012 11:53 pm Posts: 1332 Location: Los Angeles
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 Re: Deadbeet
666doll wrote: I was wondering when my appropriate criticism would turn into personal attacks and name calling. Retard, really?! Just proves my point as to the direction of this message board. I can care less if this Tolleson character is a nice guy, that wasn't and isn't the point. The point is that this toy does not belong here and is simply put a lump of crap. Others have pointed out (rightfully so) that it seems queer that someone who hasn't participated on these boards all of sudden claims to have been a "lurker" for ages and only now decided to post. Coincidentally with something to sell. Stolleboy is a troller and an opportunist. He (like many others) is what is wrong with this particular hobby. You've had twenty-something posts, and only a few of them where you make a comment in another thread, ALL directly related to you and what you produce. Lack of detail: So you create something in the form of a root vegetable and you add a puerile expression, eyes, articulated accoutrements and a band-aid. Okay, I guess I stand corrected. Lack of back story: A press release paragraph does not make a back story. Especially if you have to ask someone else to write it. Lack of a creative paint application: Really people?! I count a half dozen of these releases since October of last year and the only one that was painted in more than one or two colors is the version by Nebulon 5. Can anyone on here (with a straight face) seriously tell me the paint application has been creative compared to say, I don't know PK, Blobpus, Koji... Platform toy: Yeah, you bet. At least with other platform toys, the companies producing them seem to find some talent to apply their ideas onto them. This character has worked with established kaiju/sofubi/vinyl stores and companies... so what. Because a handful of retail stores carry your product, that redeems you or your crappy attempt at a toy? @ Tolleboy; you "roll your eyes and laugh" because you have no come back. You have no way to defend this turd trap, your reasons for producing it, and especially trying to sling it here. Wait... that's right, lucre.@ David; You aren't really going to compare one of Doki's designs to this, are you?! As for Skinner, he gets crapped on here all the time and called out for being opportunistic as well. He's not immune. Comparing Rose Vampire to this, ding-ding-ding, thanks for driving my point home. And for the record, I think I've been pretty vocal about that toy and others coming out of the S7 caves. Lastly, regarding the complete douche (JMRampage) who called me a retard. Since when is this okay on the boards? It's not that I can't take it. Bring it on little man. But this is a pretty derogatory and inflammatory term (as people have pointed out). And I'm not even remotely PC, but I feel this has crossed a line and this dude needs to get the boot. Furthermore, some of you work with this guy and should rethink it. Is this really the type of bigoted, low life twat you want to be associated with? I could continue, but why... Just sayin  You bring up a lot of good points. But it being a piece of crap? thats very much an opinion. Especially when theres certain vinyl that people love on here thats complete shit.
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Fri Feb 01, 2013 1:58 pm |
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nefasth
S7 Royalty
Joined: Tue Jan 01, 2008 1:46 pm Posts: 3505 Location: Morgoth
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 Re: Deadbeet
Scary Andy wrote: Psychosalami
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Fri Feb 01, 2013 2:16 pm |
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plastichunter
Mini Boss
Joined: Fri Feb 29, 2008 5:40 pm Posts: 4237 Location: Los Angeles
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 Re: Deadbeet
moodydoom wrote: @Connell: Is there an interior designer/decorator equivalent for displaying toys? You should look into it as a full time job! Your displays make so many seemingly unrelated toys look so damn good together. Funny you should ask. I actually have that job. 
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Fri Feb 01, 2013 2:17 pm |
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phantomfauna
Side Dealer
Joined: Wed Jun 25, 2008 10:25 am Posts: 2212
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 Re: Deadbeet
IronPaw wrote: But it being a piece of crap? thats very much an opinion. Especially when theres certain vinyl that people love on here thats complete shit. That's a opinion too...
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Fri Feb 01, 2013 2:18 pm |
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Yuck!!!
Side Dealer
Joined: Fri Dec 28, 2007 6:30 pm Posts: 2010 Location: Made in Oregon
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 Re: Deadbeet
I don't like sculpt, in fact something about it really rubs me the wrong way such that only few toys can do... I hate the name, the droopy tongue and the bandaid especially, but can't put my finger on exactly what bugs me about it so much overall.
That said, I don't think it doesn't belong here, even if the creator isn't an active member. It appears to be well made for what it is and taste is subjective, so to me it's no different than any other sofubi I don't care for that gets hyped on the board. At least it isn't wearing pants or sneakers.
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Fri Feb 01, 2013 2:24 pm |
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Rich
Die-Cast
Joined: Tue Mar 07, 2006 8:46 pm Posts: 11806
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 Re: Deadbeet
nefasth wrote: Scary Andy wrote: Psychosalami 
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Fri Feb 01, 2013 2:31 pm |
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moodydoom
Addicted
Joined: Wed Apr 27, 2011 5:19 pm Posts: 864 Location: Europe
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Rich wrote: nefasth wrote: Scary Andy wrote: Psychosalami  i'd buy the shit out of that : ) plastichunter wrote: moodydoom wrote: @Connell: Is there an interior designer/decorator equivalent for displaying toys? You should look into it as a full time job! Your displays make so many seemingly unrelated toys look so damn good together.
Funny you should ask. I actually have that job.  You should take that beyond TAG. You could be pimping private collector's homes across the country : )
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Fri Feb 01, 2013 2:35 pm |
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akum6n
Prototype
Joined: Sat Nov 04, 2006 12:03 am Posts: 6162 Location: Shima
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 Re: Deadbeet
moodydoom wrote: ... I only need to look at this  vs.  to understand why it's better to be open than closed-off. ... I don't understand this comparison.
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Fri Feb 01, 2013 2:43 pm |
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animator
Mr. Freshly Smacked Ass
Joined: Mon Dec 15, 2008 12:05 pm Posts: 4918 Location: Hollywood
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666doll wrote: @ David; You aren't really going to compare one of Doki's designs to this, are you?! I just meant it's a vegetable with arms, legs, and a face. Not a lot else to it. I could say this for a lot of toys on here. Toys that do have a backstory, most of those are rip-offs or "homages" to other characters, or are characters from a series, movie, etc. Last week people ripped on this guy( viewtopic.php?f=6&t=44790&hilit=whale) and he has a huge back story/animation to support the toy he loves/created. It isn't Japanese vinyl so maybe it is a bad comparison for toys that belong here. I'm just against the idea of continually ripping apart toys that someone put a lot of work into. It's okay to not like something and say why, it's not cool to repeatedly say this over and over again. This goes for the supporters too, who are equally to blame for this thread going out of control. This, like everything said here is an opinion which should not be taken to heart if you disagree. You make a lot of good points, as do most people on this thread both in favor or against. I like the debate, and wish it happened in every thread. No one should take it personally, even the creator. 1 thing we all agree on is the idea that if you want to be a member of this board, you should be a contributor. It's easy really, say hello, have opinions on the toys here. We're all here because we are passionate about certain toys that belong here. We might not be passionate about all of them, but we identify with why people are into the same, or similar, stuff we are into. Lastly, I think the best way of deciding if a toy is successful or not is to state your point and watch the thread succeed or fail with every release of a toy. Let it drop/sink/disappear if you don't like it. Also just my opinion.
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