so I have been looking at IG lately, as most of us do, and noticed something. I am seeing a lot of people collecting and posting doubles of the exact same toy. Not like variations of the same sculpt I mean literally the same toy release twice. I bring this up because it bothers me immensely. With these toys doing at most double digit runs and with easily high amount triple digits looking for them seeing someone post two of the same bugs me. I can't be the only person this is bothering I hold it paramount to flipping.
Do they keep them in the bag? I do this with action figures most of the times. One to open and one to keep in the package.
No they don't they are playing with and displaying two. Also while I totally can see doing it with action figures. I don't approve of owning two of a sofubi release under almost any circumstance.
I would only see the issue if they were actually selling the toy and for a higher profit margin. Now if its a small run of 5, 10 or 20 than yeah that would be a dick move if it wasn't mass produced.
Yeah that's my point we are talking toys that are lottos that are runs of 30 or less usually and these guys are like "look I have to because I am greedy".
That makes much more sense because the original way you worded it sounded on a much more broader spectrum of collecting. Im not asking how it could even be accomplished durring lotto because i could see ppl reading this and trying it. However it does not make very much sense considering they could just piece the two different accounts leading to the same addresses. So i guess how do you even get to the point of letting some one have 2 in a lottery drawing?
I'm personally not a fan of it. To what purpose does it serve to have two or more of the exact same release? I'm sure there's peeps that could probably give some sort of "legitimate" reason to it, but number one assumption is one is to keep, and one is for trade bait. I know of one kid that has a couple dozen Kumon doubles he's bought, but doesn't show off so he can trade them for ones he doesn't have. Same with someone that openly used to do the same with MVH DX's, but once some eyebrows got raised they deleted their posts of doubles. I guess there isn't anything inherently wrong with it, but if I'm lookin' for somethin' to add to my collection, I'd rather not deal with someone that wants me to remove one from shelves for another in its place. I don't at all find it in goodstanding practice to keep one, and have another as an attempt to draw something you want out of my collection.
There's a couple people out there who I have heard of that have family members in other states etc.. My main issue is I get that you want the toy so you upped your lotto chances but when you got two why didn't you sell one for retail and help someone else out instead of hoarding something that another person would kill for. It's just like when people pick up stuff to trade bait specifically and someone post under then here saying "that's awesome that you bought yourself a toy you didn't want so you could opportunize off of it and steal the chance of getting it from someone who really wanted it.". Same Concept.
This is a big problem that stems again from IG. Back in the day you would do something dumb you would get roasted and then you would (hopefully) swallow your pride and be like "oh I learned my lesson and won't do it again." Becoming less of a shitheel. But with IG getting called out on your posts is unlikely and impossible. You see a dude post doubles and post "oh that's great that you felt the need to hoard two of the :-/" they then see your comment delete it block you and that's that since they have the power. You can try blasting them on your own page but it makes you look bad and usually doesn't even phase them. We all make mistakes in this hobby. But we used to be able to learn from them by being able to be put in check. Shit I have been here for years and I still fuck up. But I learn I own it and I move own if there are consequences I accept them.
What we need is more Asian users so they can chime in on these practices. I find it odd as well, but part of me wants to learn more about it so my gripes have a better bearing on why they are so. It really does rub me when I see some peckerhead flaunting two of the same toy for no other reason than to take multiple photos.
I can agree that hearing an alternate side to this would be nice but I'm pretty sure no matter what is said I'm not going to agree. I have ended up with dupes in trades and I didn't flaunt them or keep them I usually find them a good home. In fact one time I traded a double to someone who needed it for something that was another double. That's just a loss for me but I didn't care would rather help someone out. Then traded the dupe for like nothing to someone else because I feel guilty having it.
I used to have two of the same toy, because I loved the marbling differences on it. This concept of having doubles isn't so far removed from people who have 10+ of the same sculpt, while others would love to simply have one.
I can understand it to point like maybe a difference in marbling and I can see you comparing it to multiples of the same sculpt but that's collecting having the same thing literally twice is always doubles. What is the purpose behind having doubles.
I think there'a a difference when you have multiples of a sculpt, versus multiples of one particular version of a sculpt. I have 26 Cinema Monsters, but only one of each version, and I had my fair shake at owning one each. The rest of the runs are out in the wild to whoever else wants to chase 'em. Flip side, one dude in Hong Kong won the lotto for Krono II, but then bought a second one on the aftermarket, as well as buying two of the first Krono run. To what purpose? I didn't win that lotto, he already did, but now a chance for me, or anyone else who didn't win, to own the Krono II was slimmed even more 'cause he had two of the same version.
If you are a flipper or trade flipper I don't see any difference whatsoever between having one of a particular toy or doubles or fifty of the damn things. Your goal and intentions would be exactly the same regardless of how many you have. If you are an actual fan of a toy and you have no intentions of flipping or trade flipping I don't see any difference between having one or two or a bakers dozen. If you love the toy then army build to your heart's content. They are toys not puppies. I don't concern myself with who could possibly provide a better home or shelf for my toy than I could. If I'm not screwing people by flooding lotteries or breaking artists rules to obtain a bunch of one single toy and I'm not going to flip anything after the fact I don't see a problem with multiples at all. I know and have worked with dozens of toy makers. Yes there is this odd small bubble of people who make toys that sell out instantly and can be sold for 5x the retail price at any given time but that is truly the exception rather than the norm. Most stuff doesn't sell out. Most runs sit until the maker removes them from their shop. Lots of toy makers love seeing someone buy multiples of any toy because they get the money to keep making more toys and they know if someone is buying a bunch of one thing they probably really like it especially when it's not something that has any resale value. SB has a pretty heavy focus on somewhat unobtainable stuff so it's easy to forget how many people still make great toys at affordable prices with numbers high enough to exceed the initial demand.
This is a super niche hobby. So anyone that is taking duplicates knows very well the repercussions that come with that. To that end, whatever and who cares?
I mean when a toy has a run of like 20 and you own 2 you don't think that's uncool to own to and screw someone else out of the chance at it. That's bad toy karma
I get your point completely but the reality is that toy karma is just a small segment (even within!) of this community.
If I didn't do anything shady to get the two toys then I don't think anyone has been screwed in any way. I would never feel bad for having a few of the same exact toy if I really love it. I can't really fathom how someone could possibly feel screwed because someone else has two of a particular toy instead of one if that person has no intention of selling or trade flipping. With at least few of every new popular release ending up on ebay I would think people would be happy to see toys out of bags and actually being played with instead of getting upset about it. Like many of us here I've given away lots of toys to desperate fans who have never wanted anything so badly in their life only to see that same toy being sold or traded a few weeks later. So I don't even try to judge who might be a real fan or a fair weather collector or even a flipper anymore. If I can help someone who seems nice I usually do with absolute zero hope or expectation that they will help me in the future. I don't expect any tangible payback or toy karma at all. I don't do nice things or favors hoping they will pay off for me later. I do them because I want to and that's it. I don't believe in karma of any kind. The universe is a cold dark thing. I'm usually a nice person because that's who I want to be. I certainly don't think the universe or the afterlife gives a shit about it either way.
An interesting topic! I echo the sentiments of Waterbear. If I have bought a second toy from an auction site or store, where everyone has the same opportunity to purchase the toy, then I don't see the harm in it, since everyone had a chance to purchase the toy. I might check a LOT more diligently for something, if I really love the toy. I sometimes think some toys look better in a pile -- for example, I bought 3 Science Patrol Namazus, because I saw them on the Science Patrol website, and liked the look of them *This photo is from the Science Patrol website, and it is not mine! Because these are more readily available, I don't see an issue in buying more than one. The same for vintage toys. I have an obsession with Tiger 7 standard size figures. Theoretically, even though it's the same figure, vintage toys are never exactly the same--some are in better shape than others. If it wasn't for the sheer price tag, I would definitely adopt a whole herd of Tiger 7's. Because I've gotten them either through auctions or at the Super 7 store, they were open purchases. I've also adopted double butas by mistake (I just forgot I had one!), because most of my toys are in storage from a house remodel. It's a touchy subject I know, (cough cough Deevis!), but once I realize I have a dupe, I still keep it, because I genuinely like the toy. I haven't resold them. I've never gone after a "Lotto" vinyl toy. In this case, I can see the point in the "hoarding aspect", because they are much scarcer. I think having a duplicate toy, whether it is "ethical" or not, really depends on your motive for adopting more than one!
Ok so as I stated in the beginning I don't agree under Almost any circumstance. I say that because like 80% of the toys being released these days are through lotto either in person or online. If it's a preorder then why would I care. If it's a online drop and you bought one then went back and bought another later as they were still available that's ok. But if it's an online drop and you had two accounts set up so you could grab two that's different you literally cart jacked someone else at that point. If you won a lotto and got a piece and either a) had other enter for you and kept the dupe or b) traded stuff to somehow get and gloat about having dupes I don't respect that. If you are acquiring multiples of items to have trade bait leverage that is also unethical to me. I guess I just want things to be less about Greed and more about the community.
It's not a bread line during The Great Depression or a vaccine for flesh eating mumps. They are toys. It's okay when someone has more than you. It's okay when you have more than someone else. I disagree completely with the idea that 80% of new toys are released by lotto. I buy new vinyl toys all the time and I haven't entered a single lottery this year. I probably entered one last year. I'm not going to send every kumon I get to HardDragon because he appreciates them more than I do. He doesn't need to piece out his enormous kumon collection to the community to make things more fair. They are toys. I collect whatever I want without screwing other people over. I enjoy what I have without getting upset about what other people have. In my opinion being upset about someone else having two of some random toy sounds more like greed than having two of some random toy.
