Is America Fucked?

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Is America Fucked?

  1. Yes

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  2. No

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  3. LEMON NOT BEMON

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  1. Vombie

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    Is America Fucked?
    When has America not been fucked? This is nothing new...it’s all the age-old ingredients in the pantry mixed with complacency, denialism, and in a spiffy new box every generation. Tried to make a few recipes with mixed reviews over the times, but instead of throwing out the old ingredients, we got “just be grateful you have anything at all” soda to wash it down.

    People have offered to run to the store and pick up some reform, accountability, reconciliation, etc (at their own expense), but folks have mostly been like, “nah, it’s not that bad with racists eggs, profiting off human suffering, and benefit of the doubt brand salt (add to taste) oh and loads of horse shit.

    Smells like it’s done. Hope everyone’s hungry! Because we’re all going to eat it. Even of there are some folks who eat the finer offerings...don’t forget; your fancy omelette is made in the same kitchen as our shit sandwich.


    And when “fancy omelette” ingredients are all out, guess what’s on the menu?

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    Is America Fucked?
    Maybe it's because I work in theater, but I like to look at motivation. Why are people doing what they do.
    These aren't "bad" people, not "evil" people. Just stupid.
    These people believe in Qanon. They believe that there are many people in government stealing children, having sex with them then killing them to harvest their glands. And Trump is the only one fighting to stop it and he only lost the election through fraud created by the uber pedo. They believe this with all their heart. Pretty good motivation. And, we all live in a news bubble where we only see and hear things that we agree with. Thank you facebook and google. These people have also been riled up by Trump and his lackeys.
    What are Trumps motivations? These are more obvious to me, self preservation with a narcissist personality. He will do and say anything. There is a good chance he could lose all his wealth once he is out of office. Not to mention, his mental illness can't allow him to lose.
    So, does understanding motivation excuse actions? Not at all. Throw them in jail and (fingers crossed) execute Trump for treason.
    Why does understanding motivation matter? I believe it is only through empathy that we can actually change minds.
     
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    Is America Fucked?
    Don't forget lazy!
    And it's hard for kids to get a good education these days, either poorly run and/or expensive schools, underpaid teachers, and trying to staff good motiviated teachers! Not to mention enforcing some discipline when there are truly dangerous kids in the class - good teachers are jumping ship because they don't want to spend their time "baby sitting" vs. teaching, and/or in fear of their life. Worrisome that students don't take the time to read and learn the subject matter, so that they can understand systems and concepts, which aids in the ability to think analytically. There was a group of high school students that regularly met in a coffee shop (before Covid), and they'd take turns googling answers to do their homework, all of them copying down the same answers! Could not stop face-palming!!! :x It's not about filling in the space, it's about learning and thinking, people!!! :x:x:x Ugh :oops:
    These will be future voters and contributors to society, scary!
     
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    Is America Fucked?
    The moment Jamiroquai showed up, I knew it was going to kick off... that fella hasn't had a hit in over a decade!

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    Is America Fucked?
    We live in a world of shit. And I am tired of people having to eat the shit sandwich. Time to invoke the 25th amendment on this ass hat. Fuck racism in all it’s forms.
     
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    Is America Fucked?
    From what I’ve read, the Capitol building has never had a Confederate flag in it. Not even during the Civil War.
    And we simply let it in via Trumpies.
    Can we please charge these nuts with treason and sedition?
     
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  8. 666doll

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    Is America Fucked?
    No, America is not fucked. The past four years have been a wake up call and there has been and continues to be some positive progress. Key is to keep the momentum. Don't become apathetic because that is how shit gets lost. Hopefully some of you took part in the Georgia calling that helped usher in two new Deomcrats giving us leverage now.

    I disagree with @taviq (no offense) in that the people yesterday aren't bad or evil. Yes, they are. Stupidity is not an excuse and I'm tired of the entitled rhetoric coming from that loathsome base. They and all the others need to be held accountable. Trump needs to be held accountable and I say fuck the 25th and impeachment. That piece of shit committed treason yesterday and he should be tried for it along with every one of the people that stormed and occupied the US Capitol building. The FBI should head on over to 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. and march that pathetic demagogue out of the People's House in handcuffs. That would be a great start to healing this country and move forward.

    Further, every Senator and Congressperson that signed on to that debacle yesterday should also be thrown out of government forever. Their behavior borderlines treason as well. If not treason, at the very least sedition.
     
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    Make a change. A lot of us live in these States where our so-called representation took an official stand against our democracy. They need to be thrown out and never allowed to hold office again. Get them fingers typing and those voices calling.

    Senators who objected
    Ted Cruz (TX)
    Josh Hawley (MO)
    Cindy Hyde-Smith (MS)
    Cynthia Lummis (WY)
    John Kennedy (LA)
    Roger Marshall (KS)
    Rick Scott (FL)
    Tommy Tuberville (AL)

    House members who objected
    Robert Aderholt (AL)
    Rick Allen (GA)
    Jodey Arrington (TX)
    Brian Babin (TX)
    Jim Baird (IN)
    Jim Banks (IN)
    Cliff Bentz (OR)
    Jack Bergman (MI)
    Stephanie Bice (OK)
    Andy Biggs (AZ)
    Dan Bishop (NC)
    Lauren Boebert (CO)
    Mike Bost (IL)
    Mo Brooks (AL)
    Ted Budd (NC)
    Tim Burchett (TN)
    Michael Burgess (TX)
    Ken Calvert (CA)
    Kat Cammack (FL)
    Jerry Carl (AL)
    Buddy Carter (GA)
    John Carter (TX)
    Madison Cawthorn (NC)
    Steve Chabot (OH)
    Ben Cline (VA)
    Michael Cloud (TX)
    Andrew Clyde (GA)
    Tom Cole (OK)
    Rick Crawford (AK)
    Warren Davidson (OH)
    Scott DesJarlais (TN)
    Mario Diaz-Balart (FL)
    Byron Donalds (FL)
    Jeff Duncan (SC)
    Neal Dunn (FL)
    Ron Estes (KS)
    Pat Fallon (TX)
    Michelle Fischbach (MN)
    Scott Fitzgerald (WI)
    Chuck Fleischmann (TN)
    Virginia Foxx (NC)
    Scott Franklin (FL)
    Russ Fulcher (ID)
    Matt Gaetz (FL)
    Mike Garcia (CA)
    Bob Gibbs (OH)
    Carlos Gimenez (FL)
    Louie Gohmert (TX)
    Bob Good (VA)
    Lance Gooden (TX)
    Paul Gosar (AZ)
    Garret Graves (LA)
    Sam Graves (MO)
    Mark Green (TN)
    Marjorie Greene (GA)
    Morgan Griffith (VA)
    Michael Guest (MS)
    Jim Hagedorn (MN)
    Andy Harris (MD)
    Diana Harshbarger (TN)
    Vicky Hartzler (MO)
    Kevin Hern (OK)
    Yvette Herrell (NM)
    Jody Hice (GA)
    Clay Higgins (LA)
    Richard Hudson (NC)
    Darrell Issa (CA)
    Ronny Jackson (TX)
    Chris Jacobs (NY)
    Mike Johnson (LA)
    Bill Johnson (OH)
    Jim Jordan (OH)
    John Joyce (PA)
    Fred Keller (PA)
    Trent Kelly (MS)
    Mike Kelly (PA)
    David Kustoff (TN)
    Doug LaMalfa (CA)
    Doug Lamborn (CO)
    Jacob LaTurner (KS)
    Debbie Lesko (AZ)
    Billy Long (MO)
    Barry Loudermilk (GA)
    Frank Lucas (OK)
    Blaine Luetkemeyer (MO)
    Nicole Malliotakis (NY)
    Tracey Mann (KS)
    Brian Mast (FL)
    Kevin McCarthy (CA)
    Lisa McClain (MI)
    Daniel Meuser (PA)
    Mary Miller (IL)
    Carol Miller (WV)
    Alex Mooney (WV)
    Barry Moore (AL)
    Markwayne Mullin (OK)
    Gregory Murphy (NC)
    Troy Nehls (TX)
    Ralph Norman (SC)
    Devin Nunes (CA)
    Jay Obernolte (CA)
    Burgess Owens (UT)
    Steven Palazzo (MS)
    Gary Palmer (AL)
    Greg Pence (IN)
    Scott Perry (PA)
    August Pfluger (TX)
    Bill Posey (FL)
    Guy Reschenthaler (PA)
    Tom Rice (SC)
    Mike Rogers (AL)
    Hal Rogers (KY)
    John Rose (TN)
    Matt Rosendale (MT)
    David Rouzer (NC)
    John Rutherford (FL)
    Steve Scalise (LA)
    David Schweikert (AZ)
    Pete Sessions (TX)
    Jason Smith (MO)
    Adrian Smith (NE)
    Lloyd Smucker (PA)
    Elise Stefanik (NY)
    Greg Steube (FL)
    Chris Stewart (UT)
    Glenn Thompson (PA)
    Tom Tiffany (WI)
    William Timmons (SC)
    Jefferson Van Drew (NJ)
    Beth Van Duyne (TX)
    Tim Walberg (MI)
    Jackie Walorski (IN)
    Randy Weber (TX)
    Daniel Webster (FL)
    Roger Williams (TX)
    Joe Wilson (SC)
    Rob Wittman (VA)
    Ron Wright (TX)
    Lee Zeldin (NY)

    Others who should also be held accountable and not allowed to hold office ever again
    Kelly Loeffler (GA) - Though she is out anyway
    James Lankford (OK)
    Steve Daines (MT)
    Mike Braun (IN)
     
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    Is America Fucked?
    I don’t even know where to begin. The fact that anyone could be comfortable aligning themselves, through Trump’s dumb ass, with nazis, white nationalists, xenophobes, homophobes and flat out racists makes my fuckin’ stomach turn with rage. And instead of outwardly condemning shitty people and their actions, like what was seen yesterday, it ALWAYS turns into that “what about/well THEY did this” mouth diarrhea. Fuckin’ embarrassing. It’s hilarious that some of these worthless “MAGA” mouth breathers are claiming “antifa dressed up as MAGA to cause trouble”, while the proud boys cosplaying as poor man’s Call of Duty avatars are outwardly taking credit, on top of the ACTUAL participants taking so much offense to being mislabeled as antifa that they admit to being Trump supporters storming the Capitol. None of these degenerate clowns ever want to take responsibility for just how trash they, or their associates are, it’s always deflection. Someone else is to blame. Hanging white nationalist flags on State Capitol pillars and proudly posing inside the federal building you illegally stormed with confederate flags, KNOWING you’re on record with the Nazi organization you belong to, is not stupid. You’re just a piece of shit.

    It was comically amazing and ironic to see how quickly the ‘law and order’ crowd turned on police, law, and order when they didn’t get their way of keeping this worthless bag of shit in the White House. Ultimate crybabies.
     
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    I was listening to the Opening Arguments podcast today (strongly recommended) and they pointed out that since the people being arrested have committed federal crimes, Trump can potentially issue a blanket pardon for them. That would be fantastic.
     
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    Instagram link, click through:

     
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    100% This:
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    In yet another deplorable series of actions by this administration, multiple cabinet members are jumping ship. Oh no, it's not at all because they have grown a conscience. As if Trumps Kristallnacht was their line in the sand... No, it's so they can all avoid taking part in the invoking of the 25th Amendment. Cowards. Execrable neo-fascist scum.

    While we're at it, time to boycott all of the social media companies who are allowing him back. Fuckwad needs to be banned from all platforms for life. As if once he leaves office he's going to retire into obscurity. Fuck you
     
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    I've been looking at things from as many angles as possible. One is cultism. Growing up in the early 70's and being close to all of the cults that were happening it is surprising that it is not only still happening but doing so on such a grand scale. I spoke with a conservative friend after the 6th, who is an immigrant female, who believes the election was stolen and that any bad behavior was from antifa infiltrators because ALL conservatives are peaceful. Her entire talk is peppered with curse words. How can someone be so blind? Cultism. I want to remind her that just four years ago the scapegoat was Soros. Poor Soros was replaced by antifa, unless someone get's the idea of bringing Soros back as the financial backing to antifa.

    There is an interesting lack of responsibility in the trumpism perspective. Perhaps "interesting" isn't the right word. There is a shocking lack of responsibility in the trumpism perspective. I can almost imagine that no one that supports trump has ever listened to him talk. Then I think of how many shows on tv that are popular are based on sociopathic main characters. Is this our new idol: the sociopath in the garden of eden that claims the apple was made just for him but that he did not eat the apple while at the same time he is holding it and apple juices are running down his chin. Perhaps that is the real thing people are worshipping: the ability to not claim responsibility for anything because to do so means one has to face their own shame. That was Adam claiming the woman made him eat the apple.

    One of the reasons I try and keep my conservative friend is responsibility. I want a better world and nation so I am responsible in being a voice of reason when all reason seems lost. I have to be the snake whispering in her ear. "Your king not only bit into the apple but he also pissed on the tree."
     
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    SoS brings up an important point here. Cults are a nearly-lifelong fascination/pet subject of mine; I'm well-read on the subject, to a level where I feel comfortable calling myself a lay expert. When Q first started taking off and being reported on, I pegged it straight away as the "cult of Trump" truly becoming a cult, and the intervening months and years have sadly borne this out. In fact, a very close friend of mine, a (formerly) liberal artist/musician like myself, and someone who always suffered from a surfeit of credulity, went completely down the Q rabbit hole in the last year. He (and his girlfriend) are now isolated, paranoid and afraid (especially here in our very lefty-liberal burgh/milieu). No small part of my time in 2020 was spent in worry and effort trying to figure out how to help him, or if he could be helped at all. It's a fucking terrible situation, and what I saw going on with him was just further confirmation of all the qualifying boxes being ticked... Q, and all the parallel conspiracy ideologies that have latched onto/fed believers into it, is a cult. Jim and Ron Watkins, and any and all they've involved behind the scenes, are some evil, callous bastards.

    If you want some good supporting info, here are some starters:
    https://www.theatlantic.com/shadowland/
    https://gimletmedia.com/shows/reply-all/llhe5nm/166-country-of-liars (Great, illuminating podcast covering the origins of Q on 8chan, including a crucial interview with Fredrick Brennan.)
    https://www.reddit.com/r/QAnonCasualties/ (The scary and depressing subreddit for family members, friends and spouses of cultists to post their stories.)

    (Pretty fascinating listen, with a good panel of people, including cult expert Steven Hassan and an altered reality gaming expert. It focuses quite a bit on the networking of various groups involved in pushing Q narrative, and looks at the classic psyops/control tactics being used.)
    https://medium.com/curiouserinstitute/a-game-designers-analysis-of-qanon-580972548be5 (A game designer's analysis of QAnon... if you read/look at nothing else on this list, read this.)

    Please understand that at every turn this phenomenon takes advantage of under-education/good ol' American anti-intellectualism (perpetuated in media and via our public education system BY the ruling class, FOR the ruling class, as ever); the disenfranchisement of rural communities; the disenfranchisement of communities who suffered immensely from the offshoring of American manufacturing jobs; and the ongoing, nightmarish, intergenerational blight of the opioid epidemic... to just scratch the surface. Sadly, I really think our national consensus reality has splintered in such a way that is not likely to be repaired soon, if ever, especially with so many politicians and other grifters very ready and able to keep pushing the narrative forward.

    On a final, related note, this. The Sarah Cooper joke is funny; the clip is monumentally depressing, with the grandmother's muted anguish and facetious thank-you to Trump as sad and succinct an indictment as any you'll ever get from a pundit.
     
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    Yeah we're pretty fucked.

    From Newsweek...

    The survey released by YouGov on Thursday morning found that 45 percent of Republican voters backed the attack on the Capitol building, while 43 percent said they "strongly or somewhat" opposed the protesters' behavior.

    Six percent of Republicans were unsure while a further 6 percent said they were unaware of the events.

    By comparison, an overwhelming majority of Democratic voters (96 percent) said they were strongly or somewhat opposed to the actions of pro-Trump protesters—actions that led to four deaths and at least 52 arrests.


    Five fucking people died just so Trump's Coup Klux Klan members could steal random souvenirs and take selfies.



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    It’s definitely fucked if everyone keeps calling y’all queda patriots and protestors. The sacks of shit holding blue lives matter crap have actually killed officers. Meanwhile a female protestor is sitting in jail, possibly for life, because she feared for her life after a MAGA turd smashed her window with a gun. America has been fucked if your not the favored race.
     
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    Proud Boys w/ close Trump associates and representatives to our country. Yaaaaay

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    w/ Roger Stone. Trump's literal connection to the hate group throwin' up the sign
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    Sen. Rick Scott of Florida. He buddy
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    Wait?! Could it be? Sarah Sanders, former mouthpiece of the Trump kvlt.
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    Oh, the irony
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    This may be as close as you can get. And just how high do you think Junior is in this pic anyway

    btw, that is one Enrique Tarrio in most of the pics. He's the so-called leader of the organization that was started by none other than Gavin McInnes. You may remember Gavin as one of the hipsters who started Vice Magazine...
     
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    "It serves always to distract the public councils and enfeeble the public administration. It agitates the community with ill-founded jealousies and false alarms, kindles the animosity of one part against another, foments occasionally riot and insurrection. It opens the door to foreign influence and corruption, which finds a facilitated access to the government itself through the channels of party passions. Thus the policy and the will of one country are subjected to the policy and will of another." .... George Washington on political parties during his farewell speech , 1776...
     
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    I consider myself to be fairly politically active. As a general statement I try to avoid cross-pollination between my art collecting and my politics. And let's be honest, most artists/collectors in this scene are left-of-center and it's more a matter of degrees so it really hasn't been an issue for me. I have yet to see an artist I love asking for $200 to fund his MAGA vacation to the Capitol. Hell, most of my favorite artists had fundraisers to support communities Trump hates or organizations dedicated to helping fix his various messes.

    But even if my views were that far right....

    Your hero is Donald Trump?

    The guy who wants to fuck his daughter?

    The guy who creeps on teenage girls backstage at his beauty pageants?

    The guy who had a very close personal relationship with the most well known child sex trafficker in the world?

    The guy who declared bankruptcy not once, not twice, not three times, not four times, not five times, but six times, that is success? Jesus, the guy lost money in a business model where people literally give you money for free. MULTIPLE TIMES. But I guess it's totally cool to fuck over your employees and contractors as long as you get paid, right?

    THAT is who you look up to? Donald Fucking Trump is who is going to save what you THINK America is?

    THAT guy?

    You should be fucking embarrassed.

    He "tells it like it is" with his 4rd grade vocabulary because you have to have the intellectual capacity of a 4th grader to buy his bullshit. He does not give a flying fuck about you, which is really one of the funny things about those who support him who can't see the obvious. Shit, I could have retired early selling waterfront real estate in a Louisiana swamp to his supporters.

    I was a HUUUUUUUGE Bernie supporter donating a TON of money and time to his campaign. If he pulled even 1/100th of the creepy/whiny little bitchy crap Trump pulls on an hourly basis I'd delete every post I ever made supporting him and wipe my memory of his existence with one of those Men-in-Black flashers.

    I'm not going to waste my time providing a small dump truck of evidence explaining why Trump is just a top-tier shitperson because at this point anyone who thinks he is great is either a bottom-tier shitperson or has their head so far in the sand they can see the molten core of the Earth. I learned my lesson 15 years ago debating a 9/11 truther at work who was "open to other evidence" except conveniently enough any evidence that contradicted their worldview was "part of the conspiracy". One could even say they felt it was....fake news!

    I admit, we live in very tumultuous times and I worry for the future and what the far right might do. But then I remember that most of them are giant fucking pussies who would rather whine endlessly into the void about how unfair their life is because everyone else is to blame for their shitty lot in life instead of the asshole in the mirror.

    Obama once said "you get the politicians you deserve". Keep voting in whiny power-craven entitled douchebags who bathe in their own victimhood that pick your pocket while blaming someone else with darker skin and you're gonna keep seeing the same results.
     
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    M.A.G.A. . . . F.U.B.A.R.
     
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    Very well stated @kid_miracleman

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