SOTD

It looks like there's a VHS Sup Pop comp that has an Earth track on it up on Amazon for about $5. It's Volume 2. Not sure if that's what you're looking for. I still have an unhooked-up VCR and a big box of VHS tapes around here somewhere (I'm a bit of a media hoarder, as you might have gathered). VHSs' are a little bit more laboriousness to explore than CD-Rs, though, so I think I'll just hold on to them anyway for no apparent reason.

I see how you could have misread my usage of "allowed" in that context. Damned English language with your multitudinous vagueries and ambiguities! And I can be really pedantic, too. And obsessive about clarifying miscommunications. I've had people tell me to "just move on" in similar situations, so I appreciate your indulgence on that.

If you're an Earth fan, it's likely you've heard some Sunn o))), but I thought you'd dig this song of theirs with Julian Cope for some reason. Still, even if you know it, it's worth a posting, I think.

 

IIRC, most of these gal's stuff is in English (unlike this). I'd ever actually seen them before!

 

This always cheers me up not sure why tho

 

@toothaction
I didn't discover them til later in life, either, nor had I listened to them in a couple years. I've been rediscovering a ton of old stuff lately. I haven't really explored the Slits too much, but that's a great follow up to the song I posted. Haven't heard of either the Mo-dettes or the Marine Girls at all, but, so far, so good. Especially the one Marine Girls song I listened to. I was hoping my ignorance and your knowledge of this stuff was due to you being British, but I see you're in Detroit I do know and love the Raincoats, though. They're pretty amazing.

Since @kichigai has broken open the "whole soundtrack" barrier, I'm going to jump at the chance to share probably my favorite soundtrack. Definitely the one I've spent the most time listening to. This is one of those auto-continuing playlist dealies. Can't vouch that it's complete or in order, though.

 

@kichigai



@toothaction
I love that record! And that track! My buddy (who'd discovered the record) and I went to see the Dr. once when he came around. It was a real high-class place with white tablecloths and stuff. So, i guess Dr. John's about a third into his set, which doesn't sound anything like the record my buddy loves so much, so he starts yelling out "Gris-gris" "Gris-gris". Except he's pronouncing the "s". After a while I lean over and I say "ya know, it's actually 'gree-gree'" he was upset I hadn't told him sooner. Poor Dr. John's in this high class joint and he's got this moron yelling "gris-gris" at him

There's some pretty interesting stories from back when he was making that stuff, like some voodoo priestess came to talk to him about some of the stuff he was putting in his songs. And there was something about he was driving around in the back of a car high on dope burning a black candle that was supposed to keep them from getting pulled over by the cops. i don't remember much, but it was crazy stuff.

 

This is for you David:



Hope it brings some good memories of youth

And for the B-side

If beaK had a theme song this is it

 

Oh, actually it wasn't just that he as in the back seat of car burning a black candle, he was burning an ace of spades over the candle. To ward off the cops, of course.

Naturally.

 

Ha, whoops! I actually listen to quite a bit of that nihilistic-type sludge stuff. Eyehategod, Grief, Cough, Iron Monkey, Noothgrush, Frogskin, Leechmilk... I think that's all of 'em, actually. I do listen to some other sludge bands, but that's the real ugly stuff. Maybe I have some stuff going on or something... I just find it very cathartic. And that particular song is fairly peppy as far as the genre goes, since it's a Clapton cover. I guess I'll give a heads up if I post any more. Does this make up for it?:

 

yucky double clapton!

i will counter with these:

 

well i listen to him daily so he never left me

this is so great and more punk than pickles:

 

I'm really (like really, really) not one to quote scripture, but this came to mind:

"For where two or three gather in my name, there am I with them"

Never heard either of those Willis numbers before. The Girls on Film cover is pretty amazing! I used to have a WW CD long ago, which is kinda weird, because I was just not a big CD buyer. As weird as it may sound, I actually think I got it in one of those 12 records for nickle things. Is that even possible? I heard Howard Stern interview him many years ago, when I was listener to the show. I remember it being pretty awkward. Towards the end of the interview, Wesley asked Howard if he'd like to buy any drawling. His speech could be a little idiosyncratic, so Howard thought he'd asked if he wanted to guy any joints. Howard then asked how much he wanted for one and Wesley said $100 and Howard reacted like he's asked for five thousand or something. Not sure if he bought anything. That's the only bit that's stuck with me. The CD I had came with some of his art and I thought it was pretty cool. $100 bucks would've been a steal, imo.

Hey! This stuff is totally not bro metal. It's dark, emotional challenging stuff that any real bro wouldn't touch with a 10 foot [inset thing that bros touch stuff with here]. I mean, maybe that particular song struck you that way because of the song covered, but I can't hear it because I'm coming from a knowledge of the genre. And I'm sure the fanbase is overwhelmingly male, but that's true of almost all metal. There was an all-girl sludge group, interestingly enough, called 13, which I'll post since we were doing girl groups earlier. The guitarist of the group is in Electric Wizard now and married to Jus from EW. I Googled to fact check the marriage thing and I ran across an interview she did with NPR, which just the existence of I found amusing, particularly after having just listened to some of the rawer, more anti-social sounding stuff she did with 13.



Also, just because I want to obliterate any 'bro metal' connotations sludge may have in anyone's mind, I'm going to post something a little more representative of the genre. i mean, I'm sure you guys will still hate it, that's fine. It's pretty niche, and for a reason.

Eyehategod is probably the marquee sludge band and they're probably a bit more 'polished' (which seems like a pretty funny word to be using in this context) then most of the other nihilistic-type sludge bands and they've got a "Southern" element that most don't have (there are other Southern sludge bands, they just don't fall in with the more nihilists stuff I'm talking about here). You only have to listen to a bit of either of these to get what's going on. No need to torture yourselves



And as an attempt at a bit of a palette cleanser, the mighty Acid King. Still metal, but of a decidedly less hateful variety.

 

@toothaction
Thanks for the links. I was already aware of 2 of 3 of those, though, and the middle one seems to be broken. My big period for being into this stuff was several years ago, but I've been rediscovering it lately because of the CD-R situation. i am finding I still love it, though.

I'm a little perplexed how you could know 13 about and have 13 records, but have been bummed by the Fistula track or have call a band like Eyehategod 'bro'. EHG has achieved some wider 'success'/appeal that other other sludge bands haven't enjoyed, so I'm sure some of their fans aren't your typical sludge fans and probably don't represent the genre, but I've spent a lot of time with this music, chatting with other fans online and I've been to a couple shows that weren't sludge shows per se (one was Joe Preston of the Melvins and Earth, et al), but that had crossover audiences, whom I interacted with in their natural habitat, and they're intelligent, thoughtful, anti-status quo folks who bear little to no resemblance to my conception of what bro culture is. I'm not really offended or bothered by your characterization of bands like Fistula or EHG as bro, I just find it curious.

Just so we're on the same page, here's Wikipedia's opening paragraph on their 'Bro" entry:

"Bro is a male youth subculture of "conventional guys' guys" who spend time partying in ways similar to each other. Although the popular image of bro lifestyle is associated with sports apparel and fraternities, it lacks a consistent definition. Some aspects vary regionally such as in California where it overlaps with surf culture. Oxford Dictionaries have noted that bros frequently self-identify with neologisms containing the word "bro" as a prefix or suffix."

"The subculture is not defined consistently or concretely, but refers to a type of "fratty masculinity", predominantly "if not exclusively" white, associated with frayed-brim baseball hats, oxford shirts, sports team T-shirts, cargo shorts, and boat shoes or sandals."

"The wide-ranging iterations of bro include "twenty-something investment bankers", fraternity brothers in flannel shirts, and "laconic surfers". NPR identified four types of bros: dudely, jockish, preppy, and stoner-ish. In their description, dudely bros form close and homosocial friendships in a group of bros, jockish bros are defined by ability at team sports tempered by interest in alcohol, preppy bros wear "conservatively casual" clothes as the Abercrombie and Fitch sons of Brooks Brothers men and flaunt "social privilege", and stoner-ish bros may not get high but speak relaxedly and exude the air of surfers."

Of course. bro metal bros wouldn't necessarily match up exactly with bros as a whole, but I see little relation with sludge enthusiasts outside of some substance use, The only thing I could find siting specific bands were in reference to brocore, which I assume is a different phenomenon than you're talking about. I found a single entry at Urban Dictionary that listed the bands "Devil Driver, Hatebreed, As I Lay Dying, As Blood Runs Black, Six Feet Under, Five Finger Death Punch, Norma Jean, All That Remains, Asking Alexandria and others." It only had 19 upvotes and 10 downvotes, despite being almost exactly 3 years old, so it doesn't even seem like a term that has in widespread usage. And that's just one random guy's subjective opinion, of course. I've only heard Hatebreed out of those, and I really didn't care for them, mostly 'cause the guy sounded like he was straining on the commode (more so than in other forms of metal).

I'm not really obsessing over a couple of throw-away lines from you, and I hope I'm not coming off as being argumentative for the sake of it. As I hope everyone here is beginning to understand, I just really have nothing better to do.


"And now for something completely different..."

 

Looks I've filibustered the opposition into submission I actually tried to spoiler some of that wall 'o text, but the spoiler function would not behave for some reason...