Why do some people get a pass when it comes to flipping toys?

Lol I like avocado toast- I especially love avocado BLT's! Anyhow yes got the reference.

 

I know it's not as simple as that, but I think a lot of context gets lost in some of these online conversations/rants because we do try to walk on eggshells at times. I think it's moreso name and shame or just let it happen and move on. Do you continue to let other collectors be fooled by this or do you try and stop it? That's something we have to really ask ourselves. And by your answer being no, you are not ok with this friends or not, then yes, you are part of the problem (indirectly).

 

Okay, I would like to know who was flipping the recent releases (the Kumons for example), especially if these are skullbrain members. This only so that I can look into it and make an educated decision on whether to exclude them from any toys I make available thru sb, including the holiday raffle coming up. I don't want to contribute to flipping, I want to put toys straight into the hands of collectors that want them. Like I assume a lot of us here do... Also, it doesn't sound like this / these people were attempting to be secret. I mean, they had a booth at sb's festival of choice? Ha, I doubt they care.

This friend thing - I don't care if the person is my friend, unless you share the same opinion they do or it's not a real friendship, you'd be honest about what's up. If you're a flipper and we're already close, that doesn't mean we can't still be pals, of course I'll let you know what I think about zee flipping, I'm sure I'll get pissed at you on more than one occasion, most likely you won't get any toy from me, and if anyone asks I'll be truthful about you. If you don't like that and don't want to be chummy anymore, well that sucks if we've been real friends for awhile, but okay, you know my beliefs on flipping were the same when we first started hanging out... I once had a good friend and neighbor (now deceased ) who was a crackhead, great guy, and super talented. On multiple occasions when I'd be leaving, he would want to stay at my place to finish a movie, playing a video game, whatever, and my response was always something like, "You've gotta leave too. I'll give you a ring when I'm back." Him - "You act like you don't trust me." Me - "Dude,.. How many times have we talked about this?!.. You're a crackhead!" Him - "I know". Then he sadly gets up and leaves. I loved him, he knew it, but I hated that he was a junkie and he knew and accepted that too. We were still friends, even tho I had been a junkie just a few years prior and it was tough for me to watch. Life is too complex, who knows what makes us click with others sometimes, I'm not suggesting anyone destroy friendships over someone being a flipper, but it's so damn childish THIS is a secret. Remember when @quentor was flipping some of his recent wins because his wife was really sick (and sadly not here anymore)? Was it the right thing to do isn't for me to say, but he was upfront about it, knew he'd get shit for it, and took it... These are grown folks (hopefully), they know what they're doing. And it sucks for any of us who don't want to flip to be pulled into it because of... Shhhh... seeccrreetttsss.

I apologize in f this didn't truly match what I was going for. I haven't taken my afternoon meds yet, so the struggle to think clearly is upon me.

BUT if anyone understands my intent with the 2nd paragraph, Please don't spoil it.

 

This threads going to be a cesspool because apparently everyone's definitions of flipping is different.

This hobby has an extremely volatile value system but all collectibles rise and fall in price over time.

Nobody ever gets mad at someone who's held onto something a long time for selling it at it's appreciated value.


The same cannot be said of someone selling recent releases at an increased price though.

 

Flip forever . . . Friends are overrated!

 

I'm still reeling financially from Amy's loss. I contacted the artist for permission, offered the toys here, and when all else failed went to eBay. I can't even sleep at night from the guilt...when will I stop my flipping ways?

 

I wouldnt worry about it. I had enough of all the endless guilt & confusion everyone has about flipping. I used to get annoyed when I'd miss something but I've seen everything I've ever wanted over & over again unless flipping strictly concerns limited designer toys & things around $1000 upwards.
When you collect other things you learn not to let the unfairness bug you but the first few times it will rip your heart out and then you just become desensitised. I suppose its harder in the virtual world of the internet because you cant see the other people and the circumstances, maybe it feels worse than being at a convention.
Anything that's popular gets reprinted anyway if theres a demand or in the worst case faked. Books & records are always being reprinted unless it doesn't sell & then most of the time you wouldn't even hear of your favourite authors or artists because companies would get rid of them.
Most of the old toys are reissued, you cant even tell the difference between them & Medicoms started re-doing all the modern ones already. I find they seem to sell a lot off really cheap to wholesalers & if your lucky you can find the weirdest of stores have the odd thing brand new in a clearance sale.
That's how other buisness works, other people dont worry as much or at all, most will never even heard of flipping. At fairs things change hands several times within minutes in a carpark before its even open & even dealers get carried away over paying for things they know nothing about which is actually one of the things you've illuminated.
When you see stuff thats super expensive you've got to realise that some buyers are multi milionaires or earn a lot of money and time is money.
When you come to sell a collection of anything you'll find some things make a forune that you never even knew and other things that are rare but won't sell no matter how cheap it is and the whole process can be very expensive, mind numbing & time consuming & your not getting paid by the hour to put it on sale & pack it & store it so you have to make winnings compensate for losses. Japanese people dont even have the room so if its no use to the they get rid of it.
I think experts see the value in something differently too like they can see the difference between something thats just a trend & a future classic so they rate things more highly than others to save it from obscurity.
Personally I think its just our misfortune that manufacturers haven't made more & you won't always get what you want just by stopping other people.

 

yaaaaaaaaawn

 

In the immortal words of Locomoco . . .

 

Thank God for all the "expert" flippers then for saving all these poor overlooked vinyl toys from utter obscurity by realizing their true future value with their all important rating system. God bless every last one of them for knowing what is worthy of being a "classic" and what should just be tossed aside as a "trend". Without them we might be buying the wrong toys! Heaven forbid!

 

Who's this forum run by anyway? its Brian Flynn isn't it who owns Super 7 & reaction toys?
How come he's knowingly allowed this totally vauge pressure group to form over the years going around damaging & scaremongering other people, companies & business?
I dont think other companies are happy when customers (including myself) are regularly being put off from buying every other thing because they have to think twice about if they decide to get rid of it whether their going to become subject to scrutiny.
Yet all these places still stock his stuff and I don't think there's the same type of gestapos yet controlling the products he sells.

 

Well, this thread is starting to go down the toilet, as we all knew it eventually would. Might as well hasten its demise.

 

First of all - if you're already considering selling off something before purchasing it, maybe don't buy the piece in the first place. And secondly, if you sell whatever off for the same price you bought it at, even throw in the shipping cost on top of it then you'll be fine. If you bought a Kumon a few weeks ago at Dcon and are now trying to sell it for $200 then you're going to get blasted. Nothing to worry about..

 

So it's either sell it for a profit or take it to your grave? No middle ground of maybe selling it for what you paid?
brilliant
Pretty simple folks...If you care about what other people think of you, then don't gouge them when reselling toys. If you don't care then flip away! Can't have it both ways. Same concept pretty much applies in life across the board.

 

This is great - been a long time coming! Thanks for making a stand @toothaction ! Here's another step towards killing them off.. Is it possible to make Skullbrain a secret forum? As in you can't view any posts unless you are logged in? Even if you are banned you can still view 80% of the threads here.. generally flippers are going to check the popular threads here to see what's worth hunting down at the next event, which toys could bring in big $$$ because they have no personal taste and don't know any better. Preventing "outsiders" from viewing threads could stop some of the hype around some toys.. of course, instagram is still a big contributor to that.

 

I suggested this many years ago and the idea got shot down. Although at that stage Skullbrain was more of an S7 promotional tool and keen to attract as many members as possible to stimulate interest in the brand (how many of those 2,600 are still around and contributing!)

That said, given the S7 business model and target market seems to have done a 180 (mass produced ReAction & 'themed' t-shirts) it's probably not bringing much to the party anymore.

Secret forum's FTW!

 

Build a wall, keep the n00bs out!

 

"Why do some people get a pass when it comes to flipping toys?"

Looks like the new answer to that question is THEY DON'T!

 

CT Mike's patchy and prolific project

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D'OH!!

You see, I just thought that... and you said M1... certainly patchy and prolific... um.... that is to say....

In that case, as an aside, because it can't be said enough: big up to the ONE, the stoic man of few words, the Ultra-solid man who always delivers, who has helped so many for so long... that Mike.

Ignore me, and please carry on...