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Frank Kozik
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Joined: Sat Oct 22, 2005 8:53 pm Posts: 4668
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nope, Happy Plastics Inc exists to make profit. believe me.
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| Fri Oct 27, 2006 10:57 am |
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SHAPESHIFTA
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Joined: Fri Oct 21, 2005 8:57 pm Posts: 1142 Location: Seattle the Emerald City
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Too many releases too soon for my money. I know people sell things for a profit, thats just business as usual. My feeling is thats what people were thinking set Co's like SB and others apart from the rest of the mass market strategy. It just looks like reality is taking hold here. I guess thats why it's so important to stay focused and only collect what you truly like.It is a business after all and i'm sure alot of people have alot at stake.
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| Fri Oct 27, 2006 11:01 am |
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Parka
S7 Royalty
Joined: Mon Dec 05, 2005 3:14 pm Posts: 3106 Location: Oop North, UK
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Frank Kozik wrote: alifeintoys wrote: Frank Kozik wrote: its not greed, its called 'reality'. Businesses, all businesses, exist in order make profit and achieve status. Japan, especially. The lines there are completely blurred.
Japanese toys only seem 'artistic' because it has traditionally been difficult to obtain them. That is no longr the case, new markets have opened and now those markets will be utilized. sorry but to me this sound like another excuse for what ur doing? do toys for the money if it works for u but trying to make "collectors" think this is only way it works is just absurd. OK. please give me some examples of companies that make 'collectible'things that do it for reasons other than profit and status.
Rumble Monsters.
Wasn't it uttered on here that is why the S7 release was so limited was the fact that he does it as a hobby and whats to keep it that way?
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| Fri Oct 27, 2006 11:08 am |
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Frank Kozik
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Joined: Sat Oct 22, 2005 8:53 pm Posts: 4668
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all of this leads me to believe many people that 'collect' dont really care about the object, but instead the 'status' associated with 'rareness or exclusivity'.
Is it fair to relegate some toy designer/maker in Japan to eternal debt and holding down 2 full time gigs so that a collector can feel superior ?
Or, is it better that the designer/maker realize a decent profit so they can concentrate full time on their craft and have resources to improve thier concepts and
abilities?
I know many,many artists in every genre for 30 years and have yet to meet a single one that does not want maximum positive response from the public. or a segment of it.
'keeping it real' is only another marketing ploy.
I hope SB makes a zillion figures, and hope theres lots of new sculpts.
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| Fri Oct 27, 2006 11:09 am |
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Frank Kozik
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Joined: Sat Oct 22, 2005 8:53 pm Posts: 4668
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Rumble Monsters.
yes, it appears so..BUT...the Rumble Monsters are,in reality, only physically possible because of the creators access to the other, functioning companies and their manufacturing system. he is not whittling them by hand out of his house.
IMO Dehara's clay pieces are about the closest to
purity in figures' I can think of.
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| Fri Oct 27, 2006 11:12 am |
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SHAPESHIFTA
Comment King
Joined: Fri Oct 21, 2005 8:57 pm Posts: 1142 Location: Seattle the Emerald City
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I'm in agreement with Frank - WOW - LOL ! I too hope that SB makes a zillion figures , then what good reason would there be for keeping the prices per figure so high ? If production runs do increase I will expect prices for figures to fall or I won't be shelling out the green backs so freely. I think that rareness was a big factor to a good percentage of SB collectors from the begining . Seems like this debate alway's pops up around the time there are a bunch of NEW releases all at one time - hint hint ! Ahhh, everybody likes the smell of green.
Oh yeah - Dehara rulz !
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| Fri Oct 27, 2006 11:30 am |
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Mutonismyfriend
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Joined: Tue Oct 25, 2005 6:21 pm Posts: 8387 Location: At home
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Frank Kozik wrote: I think only a few people will be able to get it all. Maybe no one.
I think you are right, and that gives me hope.
I have the completist urge with SB (and you helped, with all those complete collection pics last year before u sold it all off), but with an ever increasing releases schedule I have settled it thusly: I am basically completing the list that S7 put out a while ago. My goal is to get every SB production piece put out prior to 2006...that is for the lines I collect - which is basically everything but Balzac related stuff (and thats not beacsue I don't like it, but I can't compete with the Balzac hardcore). For newer stuff I am going to be more picky...maybe. But right now I have a severe cash problem - not enough of it!!!
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Locomoco
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Joined: Wed Mar 01, 2006 11:13 pm Posts: 8143 Location: San Mateo
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Mutonismyfriend wrote: But right now I have a severe cash problem - not enough of it!!!
Oh you too? I thought it was just me... 
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| Fri Oct 27, 2006 11:41 am |
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deemranks
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Joined: Mon Feb 20, 2006 7:50 pm Posts: 179 Location: Miami,Fl
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I say keep 'em coming. Way I look at it, my hobby is finding and acquiring them, and I want to rock the hobby for a few years at least before I settle into the reward of having a collection that's 80-90% and above complete. I never feel bad when the releases drop, and I like having the 'rarer''exclusive' stuff,sure, but I get what I like. My most expensive pieces are balzac bees and the employee bee. I like bees. If exclusivity was what I was really after, I'd just get the D.A.R.K red balzac limitation 13 and call it a day.And cut myself in the d.a.r.k because I didnt have one of the three 'custom' 13th bees from SDCC...I dunno, since childhood I've thought of toys as fun, I can't quite let them make me feel bad or cheated or what have you.
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Ghostbuster
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Joined: Fri Jan 27, 2006 8:50 pm Posts: 989
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I honestly feel sorry for completists.
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| Fri Oct 27, 2006 12:16 pm |
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rhinomilk
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Joined: Sun Apr 09, 2006 4:15 pm Posts: 7136 Location: Bay Area
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well... if a kick-ass clear sheet obake comes out every week like how it has been with October (well, it is halloween afterall i guess), I can live with that. 
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| Fri Oct 27, 2006 12:22 pm |
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alifeintoys
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Joined: Thu Oct 27, 2005 5:23 am Posts: 2212 Location: zooropa
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rhinomilk wrote: Frank Kozik wrote: OK. please give me some examples of companies that make 'collectible'things that do it for reasons other than profit and status. Happy Plastics, Inc. 
what about super 7!!!
...now curious to hear ur answer. 
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Parka
S7 Royalty
Joined: Mon Dec 05, 2005 3:14 pm Posts: 3106 Location: Oop North, UK
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Frank Kozik wrote: Rumble Monsters.
yes, it appears so..BUT...the Rumble Monsters are,in reality, only physically possible because of the creators access to the other, functioning companies and their manufacturing system. he is not whittling them by hand out of his house.
Theres pics on the Sunguts site of them doing something to pieces vinyl over a cooker. Are they doing it just for the cash?
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brianflynn
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Joined: Wed Oct 19, 2005 9:20 pm Posts: 2674 Location: San Francisco
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The glut of SB releases over the October month is a result of misconstrued planning, and factory delays leaving it all amuck. Suffice to say that November and December will be much quieter. When a lot of these projects were conceived, they were waaayyy off in the future, somehow they all crashed into one another leaving us with a ton of releases all at once. The green barbarian, silver mantis, artoyz set were never planned to coincide with halloween. Heck the skulletors were not planned to be the weekend before halloween, and the halloween set was not scheduled to have started on the 21st of October. Because of all this we have a grip of stuff all hitting at once, and no one can really afford to sit on it for too long. The end is near, but not the real end.
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Darky
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Joined: Wed Oct 18, 2006 4:49 am Posts: 1837 Location: Australia
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They're up on Artoyz!
Whoa @ shipping, 33 euros what now?!???
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rhinomilk
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Joined: Sun Apr 09, 2006 4:15 pm Posts: 7136 Location: Bay Area
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yeah, to deliver to me.... 30 eur! yowza .. i'm so sleepy
half asleep, not thinking right, clicked buy anyways, so pretty
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| Tue Oct 31, 2006 3:24 am |
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donnierobot
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Joined: Tue Oct 10, 2006 11:39 am Posts: 1409 Location: London
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flip me i joined their site earlier this week and now they have dropped while i am at work and my retarded workplace doesn't have flash so i cant even order the Obake till i get home if there is any left.
BULLSHIT!
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Darky
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Joined: Wed Oct 18, 2006 4:49 am Posts: 1837 Location: Australia
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how annoying, I clicked the wrong link during payment info section, and now the order is stuck in limbo.
Damn.
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| Tue Oct 31, 2006 3:29 am |
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rhinomilk
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Joined: Sun Apr 09, 2006 4:15 pm Posts: 7136 Location: Bay Area
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yeah, my first CC got declined somehow and it was hard to navigate since it is in french... time to go back to bed.
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Darky
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Joined: Wed Oct 18, 2006 4:49 am Posts: 1837 Location: Australia
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Ah well, order placed, sexy artoyz vinyl coming soon! hooray
Sleep well Rhinomilk
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donnierobot
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Joined: Tue Oct 10, 2006 11:39 am Posts: 1409 Location: London
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well i managed to use explorer and order mine 13 euros shipping !
even when you ask for it to be translated in Engrish it doesnt!
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Darky
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Joined: Wed Oct 18, 2006 4:49 am Posts: 1837 Location: Australia
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I emailed them to check if the estimate/cost was correct.
Shipping was 30 euros for one, 33 euros for two..
Hmm.
Oh well, I want these, French connection is awesome 
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| Tue Oct 31, 2006 3:44 am |
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toybotstudios
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Joined: Sat Jul 01, 2006 11:40 pm Posts: 8096
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vive le france! Got the Obake!
btw, S7 is going to get these too.....
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zitounhxc
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Joined: Thu Apr 27, 2006 1:13 pm Posts: 187 Location: Paris
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use this link to order from artoyz'english part :
http://www.artoyz.com/foV2/identification.php?lg=en&
will go to the shop later this day to catch them !!!!
just for infos super7 will have them but in a lowest quantity as artoyz...
(correct me if I said bullshit ^^)
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Parka
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Joined: Mon Dec 05, 2005 3:14 pm Posts: 3106 Location: Oop North, UK
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all in and shipping to the uk is $150! ouch.
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